Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikiberal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Delete. Voice of All T 15:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikiberal
French-language website with no particular claim to fame. Added here by one of its main contributors, who keeps opposing the deletion procedure on the french-language wikipedia with the question “Why should we delete it when it's ok on en ?”. So I thought I ask you what you think…


 * Delete nn especially for those that don't speak French. This is an English encyclopedia.--Adam [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px| ]](talk) 14:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as no claim to notability. Not because of language, as long as the article is in English it's not a problem. Ifnord 14:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Why should we delete it when it's okay on fr? Just kidding, Delete Ruby 16:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable website. --Ter e nce Ong (恭喜发财) 16:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Strongly object to the idea that the website itself being in French makes it unsuitable material for an encyclopedia in English. Robin Johnson 16:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If it's good enough for es.wikipedia.org...hmmm....not there...delete as nn with a side of WP:POINT. Turnstep 01:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Off with the head, I say. Delete. --Agamemnon2 04:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Neutral
Please, do not consider the french voting results about this article !

Deleting this article « because it lacks notability in an encyclopedia in english » is a good reason, but keep in mind that this is not true in a french ones, which doesn't improve this article being considered for deletion in french wikipedia too...

First of all, I'd like to say that I'm apolitique (I'm sorry, but I don't know the english word for this french ones: it means I'm not affiliated to any kind of political party or political tendency, and that I'm not a militant).

One of the reasons this article is being considered for deletion in french wikipedia is that there are persistant Neutral point of view problems about political subjects here (yes, as you probably surely noticed, I'm french: my english can't lie ;-) ).

On one hand, articles on fr.wikipedia.org dealing with Communism, Anarchism or anything dealing with the left wing are widely approved and encensed, while bad things about them are silenced, or unsaid.

On the other hand, those dealing with liberalism or anything dealing with the right wing are frequently subject of a sort of persistent denigration and vandalism.

Ok, I'm a bit exagerating, but that is mainly true. So, this is the reason why you shouldn't consider the french voting result about this article, and vote considering the notability in en.wikipedia.org.

Regards, Manchot.


 * Don't trust Manchot. It's not a political problem. Anarchopedia, the anarchist wiki, is also in french Articles for deletion. So, trust him when he says he is exagerating ;D Alvaro 06:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Just have a look to the french article about communism, and you'll find no word about the dictatorship of the proletariat, no word about Trotskyism, no word about Cold War, no word about Maoism and the dozens millions deaths it is responsible for, no word about human rights violations, no word about abuses, no word about Gulag, etc. This french article encense Communism. Anything more to say ? :-) Manchot
 * Yes, work on this article ;D Alvaro 16:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The english article communism has more than 3000 edits, the french one less than 1000. The way of NPOV : work ;D Alvaro 16:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

For the record : there are indeed serious problems with articles about communism on the french wikipedia. Sadly for the people who accuse me of listing Wikiberal for deletion because of my personal political bias, I'm actively dealing with these problems right now (see fr:Histoire du capitalisme and the associated pages). This thing about bias and POV on fr is just one big straw man argument used by a bunch of people not willing to acknowledge that this website is clearly non-notable. Incidentally a number of them suddenly re-activated their wikipedia accounts after a post on a forum associated with the website in question. GL 10:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.