Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikitribune


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was WP:SNOW keep. Clear consensus that there is no reason to delete at this time. Can certainly be revisited in the future. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 22:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikitribune

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There is a WP:SUSTAINED criterion for notability. This site has been launched today, and is currently in a closed beta and unaccessible to the general public: even though this is a website, I think it's worth considering the software notability guidelines, that mention that beta software (not even specifically closed to the public beta) can be notable if substantial "interest and development" is shown by sources that are not simply a "burst of coverage" upon announcement of the product. I cannot see how citations for an article written on the very day a closed website beta is announcement may not be considered a news burst.

Given this website may certainly become notable in the future (or it may not!), and the article is not in terrible shape, I definitely encourage participants to consider a move to WP:Drafts space; yet, since I believe this is an article where parts of Wikipedia itself may have a conflict of interest, and there have been talk page concerns about possible marketing spin, I think this warrants a broader discussion in the form of an AfD. LjL (talk) 17:35, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep *sigh* Just let the article snowball. Also, IF the subject is deemed not notable, just redirect to Jimmy Wales. Deletion unnecessary. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:38, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, calling for snowball upon the very first !vote on an AfD is... certainly interesting (especially by the original author). Having taken part in many AfDs, I am quite reasonably sure that most articles about such a "fresh" topic would far from snowball at an AfD, but, I guess someone who wanted to think maliciously would use this difference as evidence that there is special treatment being granted to this topic. LjL (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment AB clearly means he thinks it will snowball. No need to be snarky. My opinion is this: Redirection to Jimmy Wales implies that it's all his enterprise, which it is not may not be. I'll wait a bit to see how the article develops, because I'm slightly persuaded by the nominator's rationale that the same day the initiative is announced may be too soon for an article. - Bri (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hence my suggestion it might be suitable for a draft. Seriously, the article was almost fully-fledged on Wikipedia at nearly the same time as it appeared on any news sources... This can only make me feel very uneasy, especially considering there is always a large amount of WP:NOTNEWS complaints being thrown around when it comes to covering major world events WP:TOOSOON, while this is, for now, a minor, announced but not open-to-public website that just so happens to be not-so-indirectly connected to Wikipedia. Really, whether or not that's coincidental in reality, what sort of impression does that give readers (who are already there en masse from places like Reddit) about Wikipedia's supposed neutrality? LjL (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   17:55, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep The topic is clearly notable and notability does not expire. In any case, per WP:FAILN, "For articles of unclear notability, deletion should be a last resort." Andrew D. (talk) 18:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Easy keep. Tech press.  Biz press.  Political.  News magazines.  Radio.  Television.  Newspapers.  Academia.  I'm seeing coverage in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Japan, Italy, Germany, Russia, Argentina, maybe others.  One might quibble that these refs are not *all* guaranteed to be RS, or that maybe this will be the last coverage every received, or that this is just 'routine' coverage of yet another web startup being launched by somebody who is often in the news for other reasons, but that is wiki-lawyering.  Wikitribune passes WP:GNG and notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY.  Even if no other sources are ever published we have enough to write a neutral encyclopedic article already.  And that is what we should do.  'COI' disclosure:  I have posted to Jimbotalk before  ;-)  47.222.203.135 (talk) 18:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Premature Nomination/Keep for now - Seriously, this kind of slamming an AfD simply needs to end on stuff like this. If you want to re-nominate in several months after an article fails to get written to any degree and if the news coverage for this website stops (which seems to be the nominator's logic for this AfD), you might have a point.  This isn't even appropriate at this to time make the kind of argument being made here.  As to if this topic is currently notable, the basic test of several independent sources of information can definitely be found that more than deals with questions of WP:NOTE.  Arguments about this from a political perspective belong on the Village Pump and definitely does not belong here turning the AfD into something of an indictment of the concept as presented by Jimmy Wales.  If this nomination happened several months from now, I might even support a deletion.... assuming the article flounders and isn't much larger than when the nomination was just made.  --Robert Horning (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes GNG based on my searching. Yes, it's launched today, but it's being picked up by as heavy-weight of reliable sources as you can get (Reuters, BBC, The Guardian, CNN, NYT, etc etc - basically everyone). ~ Rob 13 Talk 18:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep One section above WP:SUSTAINED we have WP:NOTTEMPORARY which explicitly says that "once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." This is the case here, as demonstrated by 47.222.203.135 above. One should also note that WP:SUSTAINED explicitly says that brief bursts of coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability; this indicates that even this part of the guideline accepts that there are enough cases where is may be enough. Also, if the nominator's interpretation were correct, we couldn't have any articles on current events; yet, we do and we even have a notability guideline for them which even says don't rush to delete articles. So all in all this is actually really a case of WP:SNOW. On a side note, per WP:ATD this should definitely be redirected/merged to Jimmy's article if it actually weren't a notable topic so deletion would never be the correct way to handle it. Regards  So Why  19:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:SNOWBALL. But why even nominate this for deletion? It's a completely legit redirect, isn't it? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Can't see any good reason to delete this, at this time. Danrok (talk) 19:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. I wish editors would stop wasting our time with AfDs such as this one! Edwardx (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep for many of the reasons above. It is notable, in many papers all over the world and people want to read about it. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 22:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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