Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilford W. Andersen (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Wilford W. Andersen
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Does not appear to meet WP:Notability (people). Previous AfD was closed as no consensus mainly because it was a mass nomination, and there were different opinions on different articles nominated, which muddied the water. Boleyn (talk) 10:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Vojen on another AfD discussion made a very good case for keeping articles about Second Quorum members. I understand (and even accept) what others have said about Second Quorum members having only temporary notability, but I feel that this could be compared somewhat to the notability of, say, a United States President. They serve for one or two terms and then they are out of the spotlight and no longer significant. But to those who follow US History, what former US Presidents do after leaving office is important. The same holds true for Second Quorum members. Their notability is temporary, but for those who follow Church history, what they do before and after holding office as a general authority is just as important as what they do while actively serving as a general authority. Their service as a general authority makes them prominent. I will let Vojen restate his argument if he chooses to do so. I still think that argument has relevancy in this case. If the consensus votes to delete this article, I will accept that consensus. However, for the moment, I want it clear that I am opposed to any attempt to delete any articles about any Second Quorum members. This will likely be my only comment on this issue, as I have been criticized for my comments on AfD issues in the past. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Oppose per the points made by Vojen on the discussion of Randy D. Funk. That said, it is impossible to have temporary notability, once a person is notable, that does not vanish. Andersen, like Funk and others involved here, is seen as a significant doctrinal authority.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment The discussion on Funk resulted in a close to keep, and the issues would seem to be the same here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose / Keep - For the same reasons I voted Keep the first time around on this guy when he was part of a mass deletion nomination (see Articles_for_deletion/Wilford_W._Andersen), and which I elaborated on later (see Articles_for_deletion/Randy_D._Funk and Articles_for_deletion/J._Devn_Cornish) I vote keep.


 * It was a long argument, but basically I think the ecclesiastical office itself is the foundation for notability. Religious leaders hold a position of honor similar to the notability of people standard for award recipients (see []), they hold offices of influence similar to politicians, and they serve as authorities in the academic discipline of theology and sit on boards which would qualify them as academics (see []). A default standard has arisen that we derive from these rules for notability on people that holds that high ranking clergy are found to be notable (see []). The question is how high an office qualifies as the basis for notatbility. I think membership in the Second quorum of the Seventy is high enough because these officials have global authority in their church (as opposed to purely local leaders) and their higher office makes their words subject to a much higher level of adoration and scrutiny than your average person. As previous discussions of members of the Second Quorum of the Seventy frequently got bogged down in whether independent sources could be found to provide verifiability, I went ahead and pulled some sources on this guy. The purpose of these sources is not to establish notability under the GNG (this guy is rarely the primary subject of the source), but rather to demonstrate the elevated status he holds in society because of his office.


 * Portuguese:
 * http://noticiassudbrasil.blogspot.com/2013/06/novas-designacoes-de-lideranca-de-area.html (Independent Source Reprinting Official News - Wilford Andersen made Carribean Area President)
 * http://lucasmormon.blogspot.com/2011/04/como-vencer-depressao.html (Independent Source - Homelitic piece quoting Wilford Andersen's thoughts on depression)
 * http://eternamentefelizes.blogspot.com/2012/11/um-alicerce-seguro.html (Independent Source - blog piece that quotes Wilford Andersen in relation to inspiring experience)


 * Spanish:
 * http://ldsfamilia.wordpress.com/ (Independent Source - Blog expressing excitment that Wilford Andersen will preside at the Alcarrizos Stake Conference)
 * http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2012/08/24/los-mormones-son-122-mil-33-anos-llegada-pais (Independent Source - news piece on church in the Dominican Republic, mentions Andersen as leader of the church in that area)
 * http://www.elfaromormon.org/elder-holland-visita-cuba-y-organiza-segunda-rama-del-pais/ (Independent Source Reprinting Official News - Andersen mentioned as accompanying Elder Holland in visit to Cuba)
 * http://losmormones.org/1089/la-iglesia-de-jesucristo-en-cuba (Independent Source - article on the church in Cuba, mentions Andersen as accompanying Holland)
 * https://zonamormon.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/elder-holland-visita-cuba/ (Independent Source - very detailed description of Holland's visit to Cuba. Includes additional details about Andersen's role not in official church publications)
 * http://www.almomento.net/articulo/135107/Los-Mormones-lanzan-%E2%80%9CGaleria-de-los-Valores-Familiares%E2%80%9D-en-la-FIL (Independent Source - news article about a "gallery of family values" pavilion sponsored by the LDS church at the 16th International Book Fair of Santo Domingo 2013 - church pavilion was presided over by Andersen in his role as Carribean Area President)


 * English:
 * http://hammondrmission.blogspot.com/2011/09/tuesday-devotional-with-elder-wilford-w.html (Independent Source - blog post recounting a devotional in the Domincan Republic at which Andersen spoke, expresses great admiration for Andersen and gives anecdote regarding Andersen's role in helping the church enter Cuba)
 * http://sharingbliss.blogspot.com/2013/12/visiting-teaching-message-for-december.html (Independent Source - teaching resource that draws inspiration for visiting teaching message from Wilford Andersen's talk, over two years after it was given, suggesting the teachings of even Second Quorum Seventies have a long and historic impact of Mormon teachings and doctrinal understanding)
 * http://ldspoetrybykellymiller.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/as-refugees-the-saints-came-to-nauvoo/ (Independent Source - cites Andersen's conference address as inspiration for poem)
 * http://mormonchurch.org/449/structure-mormon-church-help-quickly (Independent Source Reprinting Official News - quotes Wilford Andersen for piece on state of church buildings in Haiti after earthquake)
 * http://mormonmommyblogs.com/2010/05/rock-of-our-redeemer.html (Independent Source - positive response to Wilford Andersen's conference talk)
 * http://preparetoserve.com/blog/quotes-about-repentance/ (Independent Source - quotes Andersen, among others, as an authority on repentance for prospective LDS missionaries)
 * http://www.myfaithinjesuschrist.com/2010/08/02/hope-faith/ (Independent Source - includes in depth analysis and positive response to Andersen's conference address)


 * I think the strongest argument for notability deriving from his office is the fact that this guy's words form the primary source materials for later homoletic pieces, teaching resources, and creative works. I also think Andersen's relationship to his church's presence in Cuba is interesting, though it's hard to derive all the details of his specific role from the sources as it appears to be mostly behind the scenes. Vojen (talk) 17:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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