Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilfredo G. Santa

Wilfredo G. Santa,M.D http://drwilfredosanta.com I am the copy write holder of this material my name is Dr. Francheska Villarinni,my email is: fvillarini@lycos.com.

moved from User talk:Delirium and User talk:Finlay McWalter

Howdy. Did we trip over one another over on Wilfredo G. Santa? I think I reverted the anon's removal of the copyvio notice, but it seems I (kinda) didn't (history list weirdness). Anyway, if you're happy it's not copyvio, I need to put it back on VfD where jiang had it (and from whence I removed it). Sorry for any confusion. -- Finlay McWalter 02:07, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * The confusion over Wilfredo G. Santa is probably because I deleted that page (even though it really wasn't a copyvio), and moved in its place the version the alleged copyright holder placed at the /temp page, because that one was actually in English. It should probably be renominated for VfD, unless someone figures out anything worth saving out of it. --Delirium 02:40, Jan 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Jiang had already nominated it on VfD, so I've restored that. -- Finlay McWalter 02:54, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I'm not convinced this page should be deleted, can I have some time to research the matter ledgerbob 12:10, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry, can't find anything more useful, he appears to be a pop self/help psychologist but only in ??Spanish?? or whatever is spoken in Puerto Rico. Could be self promotion? ledgerbob 11:58, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

From VfD

 * Wilfredo G. Santa - anyone know this guy? --Jia ng 01:19, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Not me...I vote delete. PMC 03:35, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * I concur. Bmills 09:21, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Or at least establish that DR. Santa is/is not material for an article - Marshman 17:47, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. From reading the article, he sounds like a reasonably adequate subject.  Sure, I haven't heard of him, but then, I haven't heard of William Timothy Gowers, either, or any number of people here. Meelar 02:46, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. RickK (Angela suggests this vote is ignored as Rick is voting to keep everything for no reason)
 * Delete. Unless someone can verify/prove the accuracy of the article. I checked his science-fiction book and neither rec.art.sf.written or the ISFDB have heard of it. Nor is it listed in either COPAC or the LOC catalogue. --Imran 21:19, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. edit, improve. He's an actual existing person, about whom there are several websites.  I can't believe people are saying to delete.  Katahon 07:02, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Not anyone who makes several websites of himself should get an article. How is he recognized by others? --Jia ng 07:19, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * He's written several books, he was a radio personality for many years. Katahon 07:47, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: personal promotion. I see the original version of the page was posted from a host within direcway.com, which as it happens is also the host of Dr Santa's email address. Hmm. The name dropping and the "wrote his first poem at the age of 8" are also indicative of self promotion. Let's clear away this dreck. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:16, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * I've added an accuracy dispute notice as this contains unverified information and an inclusion dispute notice as many people voted to delete this. Angela. 02:16, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: I spent some time trying to verify facts and could not, this seems to be personal promotion and the web sites are all commercial and poor quality. ledgerbob 10:02, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. See comments from Ruiz and me below. Andrewa 05:08, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete along with all related articles, in light of Ruiz' report. Salsa Shark 05:13, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

--- OK, looks like you guys have the same problem we had with Dr. Santa at the Spanish Wikipedia. Delete this page without hesitating, we already deleted all of his articles. He tries to insert his "theories" in Wikipedia so he can point them as "proof" in his AM radio show. Ask a Spanish speaker to read his website. Ruiz 11:36, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * (this is copied here from vfd for Theory of the Unconscious Guardian and The Protective Unconcious Theory, listed January 24, 2004): I took the initiative to move the information of Theory of the Unconscious Guardian and [The Protective Unconcious Theory]] into Wilfredo G. Santa. The "theories" pages became redirects but they still have the vfd notice (the redirect will not work until the vfd is removed). Please dont remove the vfd until 7 days pass or we have a consencus on whether to delete them or keep them as redirect or whatever. If somebody has objections to the merge, you can revert and tell us why the theories need separate articles when even the main Santa article is disputed for inclusion. The "theories" articles are included in the Santa article under their own sections. Now we can continue the discussion on whether we should delete the theories completely or keep them in the Santa article or keep them in their own articles or whether all the Santa story should be deleted. Optim 10:59, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. That's good enough for me. The whole thing smells, and it involves many other entries not just this one.


 * I looked for his books on Amazon (who carry Spanish books, not just English, and second-hand not just new). No hits. Does anyone have any info on them? I doubt it, as presumably the Spanish Wikipedia has researched this.


 * But I'm not sure what the process should be from here. Inclusion dispute doesn't seem to say. Is it recorded somewhere else? Andrewa 05:08, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

We've had 4 more votes to delete (Ruiz, Andrewa, Salsa Shark, and ledgerbob) since Angela de-listed it, which brings us to the 3/4 threshold needed for deletion. Of the votes to keep (Marshman, Meelar, Katahon), only Katahon provides an argument for inclusion (i.e. "He's an actual existing person") that remains valid. The other two votes are based on the fact that we were not sure whether this guy was famous enough, as evidenced by my initial proposal to delete. The vote is 9 to 3. In light of recent arguments and emergence of "Santa spam," I say proceed with deletion. --Jiang 07:37, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I also vote to delete it now. We had much spam about this thing. If he is really famous, someone else will certainly write on him sometime. Optim 09:00, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * The pattern of related additions follows closely the all too familiar self-promotion / fanboy programme. I vote to delete it, and all related material. -- Finlay McWalter 00:58, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I note that the recent vandalism on the W.G. Santa page originates from the same subnetwork (66.82.9.xx) as the original version of the page. Is someone playing a joke on Wikipedia? Not a vote, I voted already (see above). Wile E. Heresiarch 19:46, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm changing my vote as well; the note from the Spanish Wikipedian convinced me. Meelar 20:49, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

So is this thing going to be deleted, or not? RickK 03:34, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

OK, I deleted the article page. RickK 08:02, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)