Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilhelm, Landgrave of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. It's not especially clear how intrinsically notable a descendent of the house of Hess may be, and given the divided opinions, there is clearly no consensus to delete. &mdash; Coren (talk) 00:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Wilhelm, Landgrave of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld

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A contested prod. After doing a book search and news archive search this person appears not to meet the general notability guidelines. They seem to be a private individual who just happen to be a descendant of an aristocratic lineage. Rotten regard 21:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete The house which he is supposed to be head of looks pretty obscure. PatGallacher (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: Wilhelm is definitely descended from the Holy Roman Empire rulers of Hesse. That said, given the plethora of those holding titles in pretence (especially from the HRE, which was always splintered at best), separate notability guidelines for nobility and aristocrats are definitely in order. Faustus37 (talk) 05:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The ground cited for deletion ("a private individual who just happen to be a descendant of an aristocratic lineage") is applicable to any of the hundreds of British peers and their relatives, living and dead, (including those who were never entitled to sit in the House of Lords) on which Wikipedia continues to add articles daily. This individual is the heir of a dynasty which ruled in Europe for hundreds of years, and who represents that historical legacy, and is part of a geo-politically important series. He, his occupation, memberships and family are thoroughly documented in such published reliable sources as Burke's British Royal Family, Queen Victoria's Descendants by Marlene Eilers, the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, The Descendants of King George II by Daniel Willis, etc. This article needs improvement from these sources, not deletion. FactStraight (talk) 09:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep He's a direct descendent of a known noble house. meets WP:BIO--Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete doesn't meet the notability requirements. --Shorthate (talk) 00:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — being a direct descendant of a noble house does not confer automatic notability, not least because there are millions out there. I haven't found any substantial coverage indicating this subject meets WP:ANYBIO. JFHJr (㊟) 03:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Did Landgraviate of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld have sovereign right? If it had Keep. Genealogiajapan (talk) 03:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I could find no significant coverage about him. Stowonthewolder (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per Faustus, Fact, and Sue; he is "head one of the two remaining branches of the House of Hesse." Royalty are almost always notable, but this is a marginal case. Bearian (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC) See also User:Bearian/Standards. Bearian (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete As the article stands this person doesn't meet the WP:BIO guidelines. Morefoolhim 19:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep As he is the leader of an aristocratic household, House_of_Hesse, this shouldn't of even been nominated for deletion. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep head of important German princely house, individual appears in numerous sources as listed by FactStraight. - dwc lr (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey   00:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.