Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilhelm Greef


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The result was delete. No arguments to keep are presented. Drmies (talk) 05:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Wilhelm Greef

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No notability, no sources. Swordman97 talk to me  20:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I can barely prove that he existed, with this, this, this, this. He also shows up in some music catalogs, but just a listing of his name and a work. None of these is sufficient to keep the article, yet as a historic figure it seems a shame to lose this. I will at least link in a reference to his work. LaMona (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The subject of the article was apparently for most of his life a music teacher and organist in Moers, not the kind of thing that usually makes people notable. He seems to have quite an impressive memorial fountain in the town part at Moers, but that seems to be because he founded the local male-voice choir. However, one of the sources that User:LaMona has added to the article has quite a claim of significance - he was the first person to publish Die Wacht am Rhein with its present tune. The reason for this seems to have been that, apart from the day job and a bit of related music composition, he was also quite a prolific compiler of songbooks for choirs, and the composer of the music lived in Krefeld, only a few miles from Moers. Apart from this, Greef was the brother-in-law of and occasional collaborator with Ludwig Erk. - both seem to have had something of a reputation for their songbooks in 19th century Germany, but (at least in Greef's case), it seems to have faded since. PWilkinson (talk) 00:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete if there's simply no better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  20:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 00:23, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom unless reliable sources can be found and notability established. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


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