Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WillPower (music producer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. v/r - TP 22:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

WillPower (music producer)

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Non Notable, seems to also be self promotional. (I had this marked as speedy but a non admin removed it i didnt feel like bickering with them over this) DoDo Bird Brain (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, can't see any decent assertion of notability in article, sources aren't reliable. Will be blocking after vote. Daniel Case (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 07:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Do not delete check reputable references before deleting. Such as Complex magazine, XXL magazine, and The New York Times. Wikipedia article references are Yelawolf, Trunk Muzik, Trunk Muzik 0-60, All 6's and 7's, Tech N9ne, Rolling Papers, Wiz Kahlifa and more. ReeDawn (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:COMPOSER WP:HASREFS ReeDawn (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * note User talk:ReeDawn was the one who created this page which in turn it is about him. DoDo Bird Brain (talk) 00:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There isn't enough circumstantial evidence, and there's no direct evidence, to support this claim. ReeDawn is a major COI, but under his previous identity, he has specifically claimed not to be WillPower. And for what it's worth, there is a reliable source (Complex Magazine) claiming WillPower produced a Techn9ne song. That isn't enough to singlehandedly end this discussion, but it definitely puts WillPower way past CSD A7. And for that matter, nonadmins are allowed to remove CSD tags. I would have had I encountered it here. Sil ver Ci ty  03:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * More then enough proof that User talk:ReeDawn look at the creation date of his user account it was made right after the created of this page was block also funny how this is the only page that user has ever edited. DoDo Bird Brain (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That is simply not correct. Please read the user's comment here, then read WP:AGF and learn what circumstantial evidence is. I wouldn't flinch if there were a block per WP:DUCK, but it ought to be a lot more obvious for something like that. Sil ver Ci ty  02:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. AllMusic, Complex Magazine, and RapRadar verify the claims that WillPower has produced songs for Yelawolf, TechN9ne, and Slaughterhouse. The sources are still mostly terrible, the article is drowning in ad copy, and and this ought to be heavily monitored for COI edits from ReeDawn, but WP:COMPOSER says that notability is established for anyone who "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." Eminem has sold tens of millions of records. Anything he's done is notable, including production credits. Sil ver Ci ty  03:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of notability. In answer to Silvercitychristmasisland, WP:COMPOSER gives a list of the sort of thing that may be taken into account in assessing notability: nowhere does it state that satisfying any one item on the list ensures automatic notability. Notability is not inherited, and having written something for a notable person does not automatically confer notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I said before somewhere that I hate accusing people of making strawman arguments, but hey.
 * "[H]aving written something for a notable person does not automatically confer notability." The word "something" constitutes a strawman, since it refutes something I didn't say. It means "one" and there are reliable sources backing up my claim of "way, way more than one." If a producer does not have notability despite productions for several obviously notable rappers, that would set a scary precedent. Do you have any idea how many producers do nothing else? Sil ver Ci ty  02:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. Having written things for notable people does not automatically confer notability. Sorry that my choice of words seems to have misled you as to my meaning. As for "Do you have any idea how many producers do nothing else?", yes, and most producers are not notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 00:14, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 00:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - My research is not turning up the kind of independent sources needed or WP notability. --Noleander (talk) 01:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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