Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Will Hurd (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Texas's 23rd congressional district. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Will Hurd
AfDs for this article: 
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 * The subject fails WP:POLITICIAN.
 * WP:SPIP and WP:ONEEVENT concerns since he is a candidate.
 * SPAM concerns based on previous inclusions of promotional sites.
 * WP:PROMINENCE concerns without other candidates having pages.
 * Slight precedent concern since candidates typically do not have articles. Cptnono (talk) 01:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:02, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

<--outdent I will be pleased to redirect in articles created about not-yet-notable candidates. :) Dloh  cierekim  22:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 *  Strong delete. This is Mr. Hurd's self-posted CV. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 15:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to speedy delete, going G4. See the first AFD. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 17:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Retracted speedy, see below. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 18:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete if he wins the primary, then I rhink there would be a case for notability.   DGG ( talk ) 16:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 *  delete switch to Redirect. Does not meet WP:POLITICIAN in that he has not served as an elected official >/= mayor. In reviewing the media coverage, I found only trivial mentions about his being a candidate for office. Often, papers will write a brief Bio or profile of a candidate. I have not found such. While it would not establish notability, it would be a good third party source. It's absence shows the subject has not yet reached even that level of notability. I believe that even winning the primary will not make him sufficiently notable. He must win an election to meet WP:POLITICIAN or receive non-trivial coverage to meet WP:BIO. I would also agree that there is the appearance of a self-promotion in light of the previous AfD, but I am unable to connect the creator with the subject. While the benefits of a Wikipedia article are obvious in this situation, I will assume the good faith of the creator. God bless to the candidate and best wishes, but we'll be happy to include the winner of the upcoming congressional election, whoever that may be. Cheers,   Dloh  cierekim  17:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment on G$ I already did that, and reversed myself. Present article is sufficiently improved that it is not merely a repost. Better sourcing, new material, more media coverage. I would decline on that basis, but I've already commented here, and that miht not be the best course of action to take. Dloh  cierekim  17:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Call it retracted then. I'll get it. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 18:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Switch to Reidrect per election results and my comment below. If he does in fact lose the run-off or the election, we can revisit deletion then.  Dloh  cierekim  16:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. As above, does not meet WP:POLITICIAN; without prejudice to remounting should he meet that standard.  Accounting4Taste: talk 17:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Texas's 23rd congressional district. WP:POLITICIAN asks us to preserve content about candidates: "the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election". --Mkativerata (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment No need for redirect. Anyone looking for info will look there, and the subject is adequately covered there.  Dloh  cierekim  20:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * A redirect is appropriate. First, Will Hurd is a very viable search term that should be redirected to the page - Texas's 23rd congressional district - that has content about him; and secondly, a redirect preserves the history of Will Hurd for later restoration. WP:POLITICIAN requires a redirect as a general rule. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you. Redirect will be fine.  Dloh  cierekim  20:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was also thinking redirect but was concerned it would lead to thousands of redirects for other politicians. I really don't mind but could jest see ti getting out of hand. And someone mentioned it above and I should have done the same: Best luck to the guy, this will be a article if he gets it, and nothing personal.Cptnono (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ...the problem with thousands of redirects being? --Mkativerata (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be plenty of work to implement (but would effectively end in arguments about (WP:POLITICIAN) and would create thousands of underused and essentially blank pages. Redirects are also not necessarily for searching. And even if the intent is to aid searching, we run into concerns over it only being needed for a few months if he does not win. So thousands of pages could be created that will receive minimal traffic for a short period of time. We also have a search option and his name already gets a hit at the proposed target page. A redirect seems to be not needed here. That might be something to take up at WP:POLITICIAN instead of here though. I just checked it out more and there has been some recent heavy discussion over there. Right now it says t redirect so if that is the way it is then no problem. I think it is silly myself but my primary concern is removing this as an independent article.Cptnono (talk) 22:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Scroll down to "U. S. Representative District 23" and you'll find that Hurd was the top vote-getter in his race and is headed to an April run-off. - Dravecky (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Way cool. Thanks for the link. Winning the run-off will make the case for Redirect much stronger. We can then simply reverse the redirect if he wins in November.  Dloh  cierekim  16:18, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Way cool. Thanks for the link. Winning the run-off will make the case for Redirect much stronger. We can then simply reverse the redirect if he wins in November.  Dloh  cierekim  16:18, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect for now. If he wins, or otherwise becomes notable, we can undo more easily. Ray  Talk 19:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I've warmed up to the idea and it appears to have support. As the originator of this request, do I need to withdraw it or can an admin simply make the move?Cptnono (talk) 23:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect for now, be sure to keep an eye on the April runoff results. - Dravecky (talk) 05:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Reading sources like the one below has intrigued me. Before this gets converted to a redirect (and even with such on-point coverage he fails to reach WP:POLITICIAN but might make WP:GNG anyway) could the closing admin please copy to my userspace?  I'd like to keep poking at this article in the event that he should win the election. - Dravecky (talk) 06:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Copy it and paste it into this redlink: User:Dravecky/Will Hurd or put it in your personal sandbox. Please remove the categories since they will be linked to the mainspace.Cptnono (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect for now, until when he wins.  fetch  comms  ☛ 13:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.