Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Will Sanders


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Will Sanders

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Vanity article; a music professor with no critical accomplishments. Article has 1 reference (his official university bio) and has had an unresolved notability tag for 5 years. BlueSalix (talk) 11:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment I would not use the (offensive) term "vanity article" that easily, especially in view of the large number of editors that have worked on this page. Anyway, the article on the Polish WP has more information and also a discography, which may contribute to establishing notability. --Randykitty (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * and even the Polish page has zero references ... as for the "large number of editors" - there have been 27 edits in the last 7 years, half of them have come from IP editors and 1/3 from bots ... I don't think anyone will be too scandalized if this gets gone BlueSalix (talk) 16:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume that searching for the stuff on the Polish WP could perhaps turn up sources. But as per WP:BEFORE you already did that, I guess... --Randykitty (talk) 16:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * yup BlueSalix (talk) 16:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Mmm. Perhaps you should have tried Googling '"Will Sanders" horn': here he is jury member at an important international competition, here is a CD released in 1995 on a reputable label on which he is a soloist, and here is a mention of him being a visiting professor in Krakow. I stopped after the first 10 or so GHits, there's probably more to find. --Randykitty (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep -- full professor at a significant German institution; recordings include solo concertos with important symphony orchestras. The criteria for classical musician inclusion are still debated, but the subject would pass almost all levels. To the nominator: what would a horn player need in his or her accomplishments to pass AfD in your opinion? -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as to what constitutes a "significant institution." From each according to his ability, or whatever. BlueSalix (talk) 17:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per Mscuthbert and my comments above. --Randykitty (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added a couple of additional references attesting to his being a professor at a major institution, and having taught at two others, and to his master classes and membership on juries for important international prizes. I haven't found press coverage but I did find several listings of his master classes and he is listed as an important instructor by others who have gone on to be faculty members at music schools, one of whom specifically refers to his Bayreuth Festival tenure, which should also not be forgotten in assessing his importance in his field. I believe that importance suffices to demonstrate notability; we should not apply superstar standards to classical instrumentalists. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep as above. Tone of nomination is regrettable. Xxanthippe (talk) 10:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Keep. And agree with Northamerica1000 concerning tone of nomination. Unnecessary and unhelpful. Andrewa (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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