Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Will and testament of clerics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Will and testament of clerics

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The topic of the WP article is only mentioned at the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, therefore the topic is clearly not WP:NOTABLE enough to deserve a Wikipedia article. WP is not here to duplicate each entry of each encyclopedia ever produced. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:21, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator—only found Catholic Encyclopedia, nothing else on Google. — 3PPYB6 — T ALK — C ONTRIBS  — 15:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This seems to be about what should happen to the property of Catholic clerics, some of whom will have taken a vow of poverty. It is unlikely to apply to denominations where the clergy marry and will be as free to bequeath their property as any one else.  Essentially it is a non-subject.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Could at best be a few lines in an article about clerics, but I don't see it as being useful. Oaktree b (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Clearly, through the lens of only one branch of Christianity is not how Wikipedia views the world. Addressed as Wikipedia would, this would have to be very different.  The subjects of last wills and testaments and the legal history of wills are very different without viewing through this restricted peephole. Uncle G (talk) 20:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand An substantial article could be written. In England (& I would assume elsewhere) the argument about whether clerics could  pass personal property onto their relatives  was an active subject during the medieval period. That the CE does give any emphasis to this topic doesnt mean there is no material to be found.That nothing on this is to be found in Google, of all unlikely places, does not constitute a BEFORE search in this field.  I was reading about it last week, but if I don't remember where, I will keep it in mind for when I encounter it again.  DGG ( talk ) 06:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly a notable concept within Canon law (if this topic is only controversial in relation to Catholic clergy, rename accordingly, but don't delete). Without being in any way a canon law specialist, a quick search reveals secondary discussion in James A. Coriden, John P. Beal, Thomas J. Green (eds), New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law (2000). And there's a ton of articles from lay history about clergy wills as a topic of study. Added to this what DGG said. Atchom (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the secondary coverage in reliable sources identified above, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * (changed vote) Rename to Will and testament of Catholic clerics -- This is an issue of Catholic canon law. I do not think this applies to Anglicans or free churches.  If it applies to Orthodox or other Protestant denominations, an alternative might be appropriate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 12:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: This relisting is not intended to be an administrative decision, as I have already made my own recommendation in this AfD. It's just that this AfD has apparently been abandoned without being closed after four weeks since the last relisting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article (which is only three sentences long) claims that "The will and testament of clerics is a controversial issue for a number of Christian denominations. Many churches have rules on the way in which property that is owned by a cleric can be distributed on death ..." yet the only church for which anything is cited is the Catholic Church (and the cited source doesn't say that wills and testaments of clerics is a "controversial" issue in the Catholic Church). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's actually coverage of this in a number of sources that spans several Christian denominations. The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia is a reliable source for its application to Catholic denominations, while studies also exist on English reformation wills of clerics. In addition, the last wills and testaments of clerics have been studied as a concrete set of historical sources that are incredibly important in understanding the English reformation and how medieval Anglican clerics viewed the nature of their status and their relationship with their wives. While the article is currently poorly written, the topic certainly passes WP:GNG owing to multiple independent reliable sources describing it. The study of the last wills and testaments of clerics itself is quite significant, so I don't really see any merit to the arguments that this was only covered in a single encyclopedia that's now in the public domain. — Mhawk10 (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep As per DGG. MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:06, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.