Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Arthur Winter


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 09:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

William Arthur Winter

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The subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG requirement of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. This looks like a classic case of WP:NOTMEMORIAL to me. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 12:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  13:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  13:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  13:28, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:ANYBIO, as he received the Distinguished Conduct Medal which falls under the "well-known and significant" award category. MB298 (talk) 16:53, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ANYBIO, but him and his father could be potentially merged into the same article, if there is not much more to say about them. I know about WP:NOTINHERITED, but his father might have just gotten the awards, while his son did work in some organizations too making the son more important of the two. This may justify a merge. This article also needs some editing for the tone in my opinion. Ceosad (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (Struck !vote from nominator as a dup of an existing call to delete) doesn't meet WP:SOLDIER by rank or awards, (nearly 30,000 people were awarded the DCM, are they all going to have articles?) and per WP:GNG - Winter doesn't have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Nearly all are genealogical sources or primary records. Also WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 21:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - only significant claim is "father and son won DCM" which is not substantiated. Hamish59 (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. One second-level award (as the DCM is) is not generally considered sufficient to meet notability requirements. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Changing my previous vote since it's been pointed out that he had an obit in a major national newspaper and this is usually considered sufficient for notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets the basic notability criteria because his obituary appeared in multiple independent reliable publications: The Daily Telegraph and Aldershot News (a Trinity Mirror pubication) . The military awards are additional indications of notability and although just short of 30,000 DCM medals were awarded (as noted above), the Telegraph article describes his as "unusual". RichardOSmith (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - subject seems to lack "significant coverage" in RS so fails the WP:GNG (a few genealogical sources and primary records, that seems to be it). The inclusion of unreferenced claims about the Winters being the only father and son recipients of the DCM looks like OR to me. Even if true, and a ref could be found for this claim, it would only justify mention in the DCM page, not dedicated articles for these individuals. Anotherclown (talk) 22:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - The "only British father and son to win the DCM" is the only plausible hook for a keep here. How important is the distinction and how well is that fact documented? I leave that to the Military peeps. To me as a passerby this looks like a run of the mill NOTMEMORIAL situation... Carrite (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:24, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


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