Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Cheung


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep--withdrawn by nom. (Non-admin close.) JJL (talk) 13:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

William Cheung
The article is not neutral. Some specifications are deposited inexactly with inexact references. These inexact references partially damage the reputation William Cheungs. This contradicts the Wikipedia rules. I suggest the deletion. (Sorry, my english is not the best).

1. Challenge

It gives absolutely different witnesses for this "fight". The specifications are not protected. The references are not unequivocal. Read the Post "Boztepe, Giese Videos nur Kinderklopperei ?" Nr.53 in http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/ User AKED (it is Dieter Knüttel, ModernArnis - a neutral observer.)

He was there. Read the text after "Was also passierte, erst mal die Fakten, da war ich dabei:" Or speak with Sifu Augustinus Yie (not Leung Ting and not William Cheung Branch) he has supported (is this the correct word?) the seminar. 2. Start Date

Where writes Wong Shun Leung personally "1954"? The references are not protected. Which pupil Yip Mans has said that William Cheung is not his Sihing - that 1951 cannot be right? Where Cheung state that Wong Shun Leung is not his Sihing?

3. Live-in status

Has the Author contact William Cheung?

Is with 1954 something else meant? Often shorttime living-in or overnight stay? (W.Cheung lived not by his parents in this time)

W. Cheung himself writes in his book city of Dragons on the page 25,26 and 29 that he has lived together permanently with Yip Man and Song Lian from Summer, 1955. And in My Life with Wing Chun Page 10 that he lived from 1955 to 1958 with Yip Man.

Not Chu Shong Tin has written these lines. It is written about Chu Shong Tin. The references are not protected.

The Text is not from Chu Shong Tin personally.

4. Letter VTAA

The Letter is not alone from Chu Shong Tin. Who knows, that he has formulated the word „intermittently”.? The references are not protected.

I know that I am not neutral, too. I think the deletion is the best compromise. In Germany is the Emin Boztepe article delete. It was a workable solution.

Thank you Wingchun4fun (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - All the complaints above (what I can read of them), are not grounds for an AFD, a simple references improve tag would suffice as well as raising the proposed questions on the talk page. Likewise, the fact that an "Emin Boztepe" article was deleted (from the German Wikipedia?) has little bearing here.  The subject itself (William Cheung) is certainly notable in the the respective art (Wing Chun).  Most of the points you're raising as well are based on WP:OR, or points that make little sense (i.e. "not protected"?), or the idea of it being "not neutral" when clearly I see an "Accomplishments" section following by a contrasting "Controversy" section.  If it read like an advertisement or something similar (which it did at one point until it was edited to its current state by several people), I could see it.  Its just not the case now.  I'm also suspect that your only contribution to Wikipedia is this AFD. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I think, I understand your opinion.

Ok - no deletion in En.Wikipedia.org

In Germany the Wiki Rules for a article about living People are stricter (IMO). Wingchun4fun (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


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