Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Clark (martial artist) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 03:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

William Clark (martial artist)
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Appears to fail WP:BIO. Previous deletion discussion ended in a no-consensus. In the six months since the previous deletion discussion, no one has added any reliable sources to substantiate notability, which to me indicates that such notability does not exist. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep PKA Fighter of the Year is a significant claim of notability. Surely that can be checked for verification? JJL (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We did check it, and it's not covered in any third-party reliable sources. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've not been able to find any online mentions for PKA Fighter of the Year except in articles relating to William Clark, none of which come from an independent source. There are plenty of mentions of PKA champions from that era--Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, Jeff Smith--but no other mentions of Fighter of the Year. Papaursa (talk) 02:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources. JJL's comments notwithstanding, without some sourcing I have to think that his PKA award is not notable.  The PKA champions from that era almost instantly became legends (see above names) but I can't find William Clark's name mentioned in the same vein.  If he wasn't a PKA champion, and there's no claim that he was, then I'm not sure what his award represents.  Since the only "Keep" vote in the first AFD discussion was from JJL claiming this award is notable, I'd like someone to offer some proof of the award's notability or other evidence of William Clark's notability. Papaursa (talk) 01:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Coffee //  have a cup  //  ark  // 04:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Is winning the American Taekwondo Association Grand National Championship a notable achievement? JBsupreme (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably, but I am having trouble finding independent verification of that award. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't find verification of the award, but it's quite possible (I have no reason to doubt it). However, the ATA only holds closed tournaments (meaning you must be a member of one of their schools to compete).  1976 was their first championship (then called the Grand Nationals).  The article doesn't say what division he won and I couldn't find the number of competitors.  The ATA separates their divisions--for example, first degree black belts don't compete against second degree black belts (who don't compete against fourth degree black belts, etc.). Papaursa (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That seems to make the award all of a sudden a lot less notable. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 12:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Relist note: I've relisted this discussion once more in hopes of avoiding another no consensus closure. More participation would be greatly appreciated. Regards,    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 12:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright delete, you have to delete eventually if searching for reliable sources fails, google news/books hits for "william clark" taekwondo notwithstanding. Polarpanda (talk) 13:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have been unable to find any references to support the subject meeting any of the WPMA guidelines on notability for martial artists. Janggeom (talk) 02:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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