Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Devino


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  17:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

William Devino

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Article does not meet WP:CRIMINAL standards for biographies. Devino was obscure criminal who did not do anything notable and was only known for being killed. Rogermx (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep. I can't find precedent either way on whether or not being a "made man" is a worthwhile claim to notability. I feel like since Devino was made, which makes him a very rare, powerful criminal, and because his murder is one of the most well-known Mafia murders (thanks to the book and movie), he should stay. I can't find a list of minor Mafiosi, but if there is one (like this, only nonfiction), I would probably change to redirect and merge to an entry for Devino there.  City O f Silver  23:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There are lists of members/associates at the end of most crime family articles. That might work. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 03:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And Devino is indeed mentioned at the bottom of Gambino crime family; I think he should at least get a paragraph there. His death is too famous for just a bullet point.  City O f Silver  18:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There's prolific coverage of this subject in RS, as usual. But the article also describes continued attention decades later, inclusion in a high-profile, notable film, and so on. The cultural impact of this event makes it anything but routine. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I found some coverage searching for "Billy Batts" on Gbooks, this might be enough to keep it:. I would argue that he is notable for his career as a criminal and for his depiction in a prominent movie. Also, if this is kept the title should probably be changed per the WP:COMMONNAME guideline. Mark Arsten (talk) 11:58, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * All the sources that I see on Devino talk about his murder. Yes, he inspired a memorable fictional character in a popular book and film, but I don't think that makes him notable according to the Wikipedia standard.Rogermx (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but editors' personal tastes and preferences do not establish notability, or lack thereof. Reliable sources do that for us. The fact that RS paid significant attention to Devino for decades after his death shows notability, irrespective of the nature of the coverage. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 02:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, this person was only known for one event, and there are no reliable, secondary sources that discuss him. The sources that discuss his death all stem from Henry Hill's memoirs, a primary source and an unreliable one at that. Speciate (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: Devino is not notable, he is only known for being murdered. His murder is covered in Thomas DeSimone section. --Vic49 (talk)  16:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Then let's move the article to Murder of William Devino and call it a day, unless you believe that an event with decades of coverage in RS is routine news reporting :) The article section to which you linked specifically excludes any information about cultural impact. Deleting this article, thereby preventing any merger since the authorship of the merged content needs to be described, is highly inadvisable. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 18:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * *I agree with Alessandra's suggestion. I appreciate everyone's input on this, it is not a black and white caseRogermx (talk) 19:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a notable criminal, no need for article.--Cox wasan (talk) 02:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC) — User: (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - per ,. Should be included because of extensive criminal history.--BabbaQ (talk) 05:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Minor criminal, fails WP:CRIME. Sources all stem from Henry Hill's memoirs, a primary source and unreliable. - DonCalo (talk) 12:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect Numerous content issues:  (1) article fails WP:V, (2) unsourced speculation (for example, Wikipedia's voice says, "This was done out of revenge..." and the next sentence contradicts, "An alternate theory..."), (3) multiple un-cited quotes, (4) WP:SYNTH ("little is known about Devino's early life").  I'd also support incubate or userfy if someone volunteers, as there is a good case being made here for enduring notability&mdash;in any case, get the article out of main space.  The redirect needs to be created as a placeholder since there is no dispute that the topic is already covered in the encyclopedia.  Unscintillating (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect - PEr Unscintillating's excellent post, above. Ebikeguy (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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