Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Ellis (actor) (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 23:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

William Ellis (actor)
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Actor has only been in smaller playhouse renditions of notable stories but not been part of notable stage productions. They have only had minors roles on any television and movie roles. The references that mention him are either a listing, profile or mentions in the reviews of the plays, therefore fails WP:NACTOR. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 16:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
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Keep, seems to meet the notability guidelines. Like I mentioned on the talk page, it is not to be confused with the Canadian actor (which the first deletion nomination was about). I know that I shouldn’t compare articles but look at Ben Lloyd-Hughes compared to this article. Both the actors were in Great Expectations (2012 film). Are you going to delete that article? Sahaib (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm confused are you saying they meet the criteria because they aren't Canadian and shared screen time with someone else that has a poorly referenced article? McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 16:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:NACTOR says "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Significant roles: Main character (Anlance) in Dragon Quest Swords, Compeyson in Great Expectations (2012 film), Peck in How I Learned to Drive, Wiktor in The Courageous Heart of Irena Sendler, Earl of Chester in Queen of the Desert (film), Aubrey in Parade's End (TV series), etc.Sahaib3005 (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to evaluate improvements made to the article
 * Weak keep per criteria 1 of WP:NACTOR. He has had multiple credited roles in notable films which, while not leading roles, are significant supporting characters (Compeyson being particularly important). That along with voicing the main character is a notable video game seems to put him on the keep side of the fence. I wish there were better sources to demonstrate SIGCOV which is why I voted weak keep.4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, I am the original author of the piece, and I am grateful for all your comments. Just FYI, Ellis UK Theatre is definitely not "smaller playhouse renditions of notable stories but not been part of notable stage productions" - he was a leading man at Vaudeville Theatre (West End London), and played at Royal National Theatre / Theatre Royal, Bath etc... All his stage roles have been in major UK venues, not what I would call non-notable stage productions in the slightest. Film roles have been both significant and also smaller parts. I feel he is significant enough to be here although I'm relatively new to this space and I am unsure if I am allowed to say keep or not as, of course, I am the original author of the page. BarracudaBaby1980 22:18 (UTC)
 * I have had a little redraft and inputted some of the theatre credits into the relevant pages. The Importance of Being Earnest in which Ellis played a lead has been added to that page's production history as it is of worthy note. Similarly, I have added Prayer Room in which Ellis had a notable part that was critically written about, that has some wiki listed mentionable actors in it along side him.BarracudaBaby1980 16:24 (UTC)
 * I have also added a new reference for Ellis Video Game in which he voiced the lead character for English speaking version: Dragon Quest Swords for the Nintendo Wii. BarracudaBaby1980 16:49 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Week keep - I'm convinced by the arguments put forward above and while the article itself still needs more work (it's not quite a matter of WP:HEY) I think there's probably enough to get the subject over the line (just). His role as the "main antagonist" in a high-quality film production of Charles Dickens' Great Expectations lends this argument weight, as do the multiple stage roles which include a number of leading roles.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 09:07, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, has appeared in multiple notable filmsJackattack1597 (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC)


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