Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William F. Halsey, Sr.


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The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

William F. Halsey, Sr.

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Subject has no individual notability. Only claim to notability is being the father of William Halsey, Jr.. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 17:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Being related to someone notable does not make you notable. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't seem to have any independent notability. Mangoe (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - captain was much more of a big deal of a rank in the 19th century, when the United States Navy was a much smaller entity. Bearian (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, he's probably covered by multiple sources, but we'd need those sources to know that for certain; until then, he fails the general guideline. Moreover, captains of this period surely aren't notable — some time ago I proposed adding the top military commander of a nation to the list of people considered automatically notable, and that suggestion failed.  If the top commander isn't automatically notable, surely a captain isn't.  Nyttend (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would argue that the top military commander of a given country _is_ notable and that many of the lists of minor characters in are not. But most of the time WP bends to the loudest, though least appropriate, masses. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 03:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  —AustralianRupert (talk) 00:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete after moving any relevant material to William Halsey, Jr. as the father doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO Nick-D (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BIO. As stated above, being related to someone does not make a person notable. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As a disambiguation from the son's article. Merging this information into the son's article is not appropriate as these details are not pertinent to William F. Halsey, Jr.. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 03:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep For the same reasons given by Bearian --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Both Bearian and MrDolomite make good points, but an Amazon search for the exact name turns up this. On page 57, this work not only mentions Senior as the commander of the USNA, but also asserts he was influential in exposing Naval Academy midshipmen to the martial arts in 1905. This book says beloved naval academy "master steward" William E. Fletcher kept track of Junior's career initially because of his personal knowledge of Senior at the Academy. That's significant independent coverage which meets the notability bar. BusterD (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.