Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William H. Leder


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

William H. Leder

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Fails WP:NSOLDIER, was not a general-equivalent and the Air Medal is not a sufficiently prominent decoration. Otherwise fails WP:NPERSON and WP:GNG as there is not in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources. The only coverage of him I could find is a two paragraph obit in a smallish paper. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:02, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep The article cites military records as well as two news articles on his life and death. It uses his military records and citation discussing his contributions in a major battle, which does quality under the WP:NSOLDIER criteria, specifically criteria 4. The article cross references with multiple articles that tie him to a number of other articles showing the contributions in the broader spectrum of WWII pacific campaign. brykeller (talk) 20:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple mentions in secondary sources about the Battle of Santa Cruz Islands and the USS Enterprise add up to passing the bar of GNG. For Hank Leder, For Leder and Wildcats. Kges1901 (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure where there's enough about him to pass GNG. 1 2 3 4 5 6 and others are in relation to something he said ("Tallyho, nine o'clock down."). Other passing mentions include searching the sea, flying and becoming disoriented, romping like a chew toy. There may be a case to mentioning him in the context of the battle, but I certainly don't see enough coverage for a stand-alone article. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * To elaborate, the combination of mentions in multiple secondary sources (and that's just those that can be seen on gbooks preview) is enough to clear the bar. While Leder would be insignificant later in the war, the fact that there were comparatively few US pilots in the PTO at this stage of the war who were decorated and had three aerial victories makes him more notable than otherwise. In addition, the report of the crash was carried by AP and in multiple newspapers as a result even during a period when air accidents were frequent due to the expansion of military aviation training. Kges1901 (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete doesn't satisfy any of the criteria of WP:SOLDIER and lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple WP:RS. Mztourist (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It does satisfy WP:SOLDIER under criteria 4 of People. "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign." The article is a result of much research and learning about the Battle of Santa Cruz Islands, it's importance in history, the heroic efforts of the Grim Reapers Air Group in defending the USS Enterprise and the USS Chicago and Leder's role in that campaign. brykeller (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything that in any way satisfies #4 of WP:SOLDIER. The rest of the arguments advanced are Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Looked in Lundstrom, The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign and found a dozen mentions. I feel that there is enough about him to warrant inclusion under WP:SOLDIER.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SIGCOV. There's enough out there. Bearian (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


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