Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Hawi


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The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-27 02:22Z 

William Hawi

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Although the person seems notable the article is biased and will be too much work to wikify. Note for instance the use of the word 'Martyr' ArchStanton 07:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC) The editor has removed the contested wordings and the article is now much better in accordance with WP:NPOV ArchStanton 23:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Only 302 ghits. Pumped with POV. Sr13 (T|C) 08:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * all these accronyms... you are loosing me people. what is POV, what is ghits and if you agree that this person is "notable" than for the sake of offering comprehensive information shouldn't he be included in this Encyclopedia? Exactly how much time do i have to "wikify" the article? and more importantly, is there a template i can use? I followed your advice Archstanton69 (thank you for the helpful links by the way) and looked over the Rafik Hariri page... all this info is recent and very available. William Hawi is a historical figure and information about his life and death is not so readily available. It will take some time, but i will get it. On the other hand, i would appreciate some help! Can someone give me pointers on what exactly makes the article biased? is it the language? what 'words' should be revised? how to link it to other pages? sorry, i am new here but i am willing to learn ;) thanks for any help! Jinanez 09:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * keep for now and give Jinanez a little bit more time to fix it - the subject seems noteworthy on its face although I agree the article needs a lot of work. I don't think notability is an issue here despite low ghits but maybe I'm wrong?--Dmz5 10:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - bias and lack of Wikification is not grounds for deletion, and the nominator admits the subject is notable. An article shouldn't be nuked just because it's "too much work". ~Matticus TC 10:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well just to explain the "low ghits"; any article or information written on the subject is in Arabic and not available online. His biography book is also in Arabic. I will have to take the time to translate some things but it is all available (including meeting transcripts, newspaper clippings, pictures and voice recordings) Jinanez 11:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - a notable historical figure deserves his place in Wikipedia. However, the article is not entirely written from a neutral point of view (NPOV) and therefore needs some rewriting. Some more independent references would be advisable. JoJan 13:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable. Google isn't a good indicator of notablility, and POV is not a reason to delete. Koweja 14:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have tried to read this article several times and I still have no idea what this person is supposed to be notable for. He is supposedly the 'Former chief of the Kataeb Security Council', but as far as I can tell, the Kataeb Party is only one political party of many in Lebanon. (Is he even Lebanese? The article doesn't specify.) I wouldn't normally vote no because of poor article quality, but together with the fact that his notability is questionable, and I am doubtful that this article will be improved to something readable, I shall !vote delete. --Fang Aili talk 15:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe you do not know much about the history of Lebanon user:Fang Aili but in a nutshell in addition to his contribution in the Palestino-Lebanese conflict in the 1970s, Hawi created the Kataeb Military Council which was took over by former President Bashir Gemayel upon his death. Without Hawi, the Lebanese Forces would not have existed and this party in addition to the Kataeb party (which he helped in the creation and organization) are major forces in the Lebanese March 14th Forces coalition currently at the heart of the present Lebanon conflict, Rafic Hariri UN probe / tribunal, and the on-going protests in down-town Beirut. And in answer to your question, it is clearly written in the 'poor quality article' that Hawi was born in New York USA in 1908 to Lebanese parents but lived since 1910 in Lebanon, which would make him Lebanese.
 * Keep The article states that he held multiple senior positions in a notable political party. However, the article needs to be improved with better references. Tarinth 18:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Notable and should be retained. Article needs more references and citations. I've added some to the "Death" section. Anybody want to help out on a different section? CuriousGiselle 20:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes thank you! i would appreciate any help... I am starting to include references and notes and i would appreciate if you can point out where such additions are needed. Jinanez 22:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Definitely notable. Maddy626 09:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability well stated, buzz words deleted, could use a little wikification - but that seems to be an ongoing project.SkierRMH 06:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Inherent bias problem (article writer is subject's grandson), but notable enough.  Ford MF 20:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


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