Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William J. Carney


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The result was keep. Per Bushranger's sourcing. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 09:29, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

William J. Carney

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Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I can't find any reliable source that shows he was an Ohio State representative, in which case he fails WP:BIO. The Political Graveyard lists two William Carneys, but they're both from New York. (Also not to be confused with the living law professor of the same name.) Clarityfiend (talk) 20:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Unable to verify much of anything beyond the gravestone - in  Poland Riverside Cemetery  Poland, Mahoning County, Ohio, USA. The original article, created by a Justin Carney on 3 April 2010 has survived pretty much unchanged (beyond formatting and minor deletions) and un-sourced, and looks like a copy of a local notice. As is, this fails WP:V before even assessing notability (WP:NPOL would seem to apply for the Ohio state legislature. I was unable to source details such as his 2005 award or meeting with President Bush - which I would expect to be available on-line. The Ohio state legislature seems tricky to source for the non-adept, there was however a Charles J. Carney serving in these years (as a state senator).Icewhiz (talk) 09:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * obit from which this article was probably sourced - .Icewhiz (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Each of Ohio's districts has an article, and each article lists all past representatives, e.g. Ohio's 1st congressional district. William J. Carney isn't in any of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The article claims he was in the state lelegislature (twice), not congress.Icewhiz (talk) 05:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources found verifying NPOL.Icewhiz (talk) 04:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:POLITICIAN. This obit certainly says he was a state legislator. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * A seemingly non-RS obit, and NPOL creates a presumption of notability (People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included - it doesn't seem there is much of anything for this guy out there in terms of sourcing.Icewhiz (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Move to draft space until a second source is found that provides additional verification of the subject's term in office. I believe the subject served in a position that meets WP:NPOL, but all pages need adequate sourcing. --Enos733 (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - This shows a voting record of Ohio legislators in 1961, and "Carney" is included amongst them, while this shows "William Carney, D-Trumbull". Also "Resentment from the battle last night carried over today la the House when Rep. William Carney (D). Trumbull County, asked how Yoder was voting on a bill so he (Carney) could vote under full sail" (Cincinatti Enquirer). There's quite a few other references to him in the Newspapers.com archive, so his being an elected member of the Ohio Legislature, and, thus, passing WP:NPOL, is, I believe, sufficiently established. . - The Bushranger One ping only 01:47, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on The Bushranger's research. (I actually went to newspapers.com to do checks on this before scrolling down realizing that The Bushranger had already done it, lol) &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


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