Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Kamm


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, and recommend pruning the article the conform to WP:BLP standards. Deryck C. 18:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

William Kamm

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fails WP:BIO and WP:PERP. there is coverage to confirm he is a convicted sex offender but that's not enough to make an article. a namesake before his time appears in gnews. there are huge WP:BLP concerns here with the number of grandiose uncited claims in the article. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - apparently a religious group leader and an offender which all makes him notable.--Avala (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * no it does not satisfy WP:BIO and WP:PERP. you have failed to say how it does. LibStar (talk) 12:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep Added three book sources to the article; together with the newspaper articles already included, warrants a clear pass of WP:BASIC or WP:GNG. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 11:39, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:PERP and there is nothing in the article or sources that otherwise show he passes WP:GNG. Jance day (talk) 22:28, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 18:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep -- I know nothing of him, but probably notable for being notorious. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * this vote makes zero attempt to address how notability is met. LibStar (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename/rework into an article on the organization he heads, which is already the focus of much of the article anyway. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - there are no reliable sources in this BLP that prove he's notable, and I don't know of any that can be found easily.  One other problem is that there was a baseball player with the same name, c. 1922. Bearian (talk) 21:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No reliable sources? Well, there's Snow's Deadly Crimes of True Believers, from the reputable educational publisher Greenwood Publishing Group, which devotes a couple of pages (110 and 111) to Kamm and his prophecies. There's Di Lauros' Through a Glass Darkly, from Sydney University Press, which analyses the effect of Kamm's personal charisma on the formation of the Charbel cult. Then there's King of the Stings from an imprint of Melbourne University Press, which also has a couple of pages (158 and 159) covering Kamm's biography and career as a self-proclaimed prophet. There's a biographical entry on Kamm in Melton's Religions of the World, a Comprehensive Encyclopedia, Vol. 4 (this one isn't in the article, I'll grant you that). You might also want to work through the not inconsiderable amount of news coverage. How exactly are you struggling to find sources? Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 23:16, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep As Yunshiu has shown, there are plenty of sources. Here is a link to the chapter that deals with Kamm from the book "Through a Glass Darkly" published by Sydney University Press. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 16:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, but ideally merge into not-yet-existing Order of St. Charbel, which better fits the relevant notability guidelines. William Kamm (barely) satisfies WP:BIO for coverage in multiple books, newspapers, etc., but not the more specific WP:PERP, in my view. -- NTox · talk 17:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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