Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Ludwig von Sonntag


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 15:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

William Ludwig von Sonntag

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Contested prod. ubject is not notable: he apparently was present at a notable ooccasion, and is an ancestor of a somewhat notable person, John de Havilland. However, he has not received significant attention in reliable independent sources. There are no Google Books results at all (nor Scholar or News archive, obvisouly), and there are only 13 Google hits at all, all based on Wikipedia. So the problem is not only that he hasn't received significant attention, but that he hasn't received any attention or even mention at all, making him unverifiable and certainly totally failing WP:BIO. Searching for him under the name "William Louis von Sonntag" at least solves the unverifiable part, but again shows that he is not notable. Looking for Wilhelm von Sonntag gives hits for a different person. Fram (talk) 07:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Additionally: looking for yet another variation of the name, "Wilhelm Louis von Sonntag", gives one sentence in a reliable source,, in an entry about a different member of the family, William Louis Sonntag, Sr., who is notable. Fram (talk) 07:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:43, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator's excellent research under various versions of his name. Even if everything could be verified (which it currently isn't), "being present" at a notable event does not automatically makes him notable. Neither does having notable descendents. --MelanieN (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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