Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William M. Johnson


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The result was   delete. JForget 22:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

William M. Johnson

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 * Delete. Unremarkable soldier, notability not evident, fails WP:BIO. WWGB (talk) 15:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I need to take the time to look for indepedent sources, but it's not obvious to me why a command sergeant major (single highest enlisted person) for a 15,000 person (per our article) army divison doesn't have a reasonable claim to notability. Neutral for now; I'm making this edit a more of place holder to remind me to come back after I have time for a proper search. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 04:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 04:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks independent sources to meet WP:BIO and it can't be assumed that any are available. Nick-D (talk) 05:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Based on precedent. Clearly a career soldier deserving respect, however, the last time a Command Sgt Major article was up for deletion, the concensus was to delete (even though I voted keep that time). This individual has basically the same awards and very similar service history, and even less sourcing than the other article (other one had a couple of mentions from books about the Vietnam War). Indeed we consistently hold that recipients of the Silver Star are not notable based on that fact alone, and that award is higher than the Bronze Star that this subject has received. While I feel that the notability guidelines seem a bit inconsistent across Wikipedia as a whole (e.g. from what I can see reading other AFD debates, certain types of 'actors' for want of a better term seem to be notable just for receiving awards for taking their clothes off and doing other things...the bar, however, seems a lot higher for a military person), I feel that it is important to be consistent. Also, independent sourcing is not there, so it does not meet requirements for WP:BIO. — AustralianRupert (talk) 05:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per AustralianRupert. Buckshot06(prof) 06:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per AustralianRupert. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 03:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Delete. I've said the same thing as Rupert. Here is someone who is deserving of respect and he simply doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion. Meanwhile, a rapper who charted #199 out of 200 in between stints in prison does merit inclusion. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unless they have done something pretty spectacular, NCOs are not generally notable enough for inclusion. Remember that despite his senior position as an NCO, he is still outranked by the most junior second lieutenant fresh out of West Point. Whether that's right or wrong is irrelevant; it's still a fact. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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