Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William W. Johnstone (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The nomination is erroneous. The prior nomination was not closed because the nominator was a sock but because the nominator withdrew. There was a Keep result in that case and the comprehensive details provided by DiamondRemley39 this time seem so overwhelming and strong that further input is not needed. (non-admin closure) Andrew🐉(talk) 13:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

William W. Johnstone
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Prolific author, but no reliable source evidence to indicate he was a notable one. Prior author AfD closed as keep not on merit grounds, but because nom was a sock. StarM 17:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep as he was arguably one of the most popular authors of his genre in the 20th century. Will link below. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 18:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Publishers Weekly (multiple reviews here, which was on my first Google page and might have been found in a BEFORE)
 * Kirkus
 * Library Journal (by new writer)
 * Scream of Eagles and Talons of Eagles reviewed by Booklist (accessed via Gale Literature) --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Review mentioned in previous AfD: 1
 * About his legacy 1 and 2 DiamondRemley39 (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment nom seems to have not reviewed the most recent prior AfD, which is the one linked on the talk page, was withdrawn by the nominator here. The first AfD (here) was the one closed due to sockpuppetry. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 19:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You're correct, missed that one entirely, but isn't a convincing keep either at my review. Reviewing your sources now and may withdraw if they appear to make a case for notability.      StarM 02:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Further comment', this PW one is good, and I did see it on Before, but I don't see that Kirkus or TrueWest are enough to meet notability, and question whether the latter is a reliable source. Going to let this run a little longer, but willing to withdraw if consensus is clear. He's popular and prolific, that doesn't necessarily mean notable      StarM 02:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the problem with Kirkus would be--it's a trade publication of the caliber of Publishers Weekly; reviews from those publications fulfill author criteria #4. He meets NAUTHOR 1,3,4--and together those indicate he meets GNG too. I'll refbomb some more. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

More Sources As multiple Publishers Weekly and Kirkus reviews of a bestselling author + his name/brand being continued in a second decade following his death aren't enough to prove that an author with millions of copies sold isn't anything more than a prolific writer, consider:
 * Quick Googling shows he is currently on the New York Times bestseller list (his name as a penname, anyway: https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/mass-market-monthly/
 * When I search "william w. johnstone" site:nytimes.com, I get more than 20 results. Most of those are bestseller rankings.
 * When I do the same for usatoday.com, I get results too: 1 2 3 4 5

A sampling of what Proquest has:
 * BEST SELLERS. Philadelphia Daily News; Philadelphia, Pa. [Philadelphia, Pa]10 Jan 2021: D.2 Mass Market Paperback: Bestseller list from Publishers Weekly: Preacher’s Carnage at number 5, Blood in the Dust at #7, Texas Kill of the Mountain Men at #8.
 * PUBLISHERS WEEKLY BEST-SELLERS. University Wire; Carlsbad [Carlsbad]09 Jan 2020. From PW: Preacher’s Frenzy (#6), Hired Guns (#9), Bloody Trail of the Mountain Man (#15)
 * Publishers Weekly Bestsellers. Florida Times Union; Jacksonville, Fla. [Jacksonville, Fla]14 June 2020: 4. Rising Fire at #5, Pray for Death at #7.
 * BEST SELLERS. Philadelphia Daily News; Philadelphia, Pa. [Philadelphia, Pa]17 Jan 2021: D.2. Preacher’s Carnage (#3), Blood in the Dust (#6)
 * This week's best-sellers from Publishers Weekly. Kennebec Journal; Augusta, Me. [Augusta, Me]12 Jan 2019. The Black Hills (#6), Preacher’s Rage (#7)


 * Reviews (abstracts only viewable to me):
 * Ambush of the Mountain Man: Nuns who once drove the church. Flaherty, Dolores; Flaherty, Roger.Chicago Sun - Times; Chicago, Ill. [Chicago, Ill]18 Jan 2004: 12.
 * Trek of the Mountain Men: Making an enemy of your friend. Flaherty, Dolores; Flaherty, Roger.Chicago Sun - Times; Chicago, Ill. [Chicago, Ill]02 Feb 2003: 12.
 * Warpath of the Mountain Men: It's a fair tale of a foundling. Flaherty, Dolores; Flaherty, Roger.Chicago Sun - Times; Chicago, Ill. [Chicago, Ill]04 Aug 2002: 14.

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * There are hundreds of other results in one Proquest database alone. I haven't touched the others, EBSCO, or Gale Literature. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


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