Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Willis Ricketts


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The result was keep. John254 01:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Willis Ricketts

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Unsuccessful gubernatorial nominee, sources are essentially obituaries, no evidence of meeting WP:BIO. This article did cite as its major source creator User:Billy Hathorn's master's dissertation. Guy (Help!) 20:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I see Guy's point here, but also see that a gubenatorial candidate is likeley to have notability. It seems to me that user Billy Hathorn should be able to cite the sources which he cited in his Ph.D. dissertation.  I would assume that the dissertation was not purely OR.  I could support a keep with references. --Kevin Murray (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with, I could also support a "Keep" if more references were provided. The article's current sources are not enough, but with a subject like this more sources should be able to be found.  Cirt (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Keep and cleanup -- a losing candidate is inherently notable at this level of politics (even a Republican in 1962 in Arkansas, then essentially a one-party state controlled by Democrats since the Civil War). -- A. B. (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't believe in inherent notability. I believe in notability per the test of "multiple independent non-trivial sources".  The only non-trivial sources here are user:Billy Hathorn's own research (which was cited, but I removed the citation as it's unpublished) and an obituary in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Guy (Help!) 15:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Why have you not challenged Gloria Williams Hearn, whose notability is being an unsuccessful candidate for the U.S. House in 2004?

Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the lists of Louisiana-related deletions, Politicians-related deletions, and History-related deletions. See WikiProject Deletion sorting/Louisiana for a list of related AfDs of articles by the same editor. -- A. B. (talk) 23:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I do believe in intrinsiv notability for political positions, because it eliminates this sort of debate. But we havent accepted losing candidates for governor in the past. I'd support doing so if we did it for all of them. Notability by the chance of sourcing is an admission that we do not know what notability is. i think we can do better than that. DGG (talk) 08:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

So, why would you keep Willis Ricketts and not Ben C. Toledano and Hall M. Lyons?

Billy Hathorn (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Agree entirely with DGG. It's nearly unfathomable that a gubernatorial candidate for one of the two main parties wouldn't have attained sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:N, although the article needs sourcing. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 10:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


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