Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Win Zin Oo


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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Win Zin Oo

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I can find zero evidence that this player has played in a WP:FPL or a senior international match and therefore fails WP:NFOOTY. Also, even if Oo has made an appearance or two in a FPL he wouldn't be notable as he fails WP:GNG, due to absolutely no reliable and in-depth coverage, and such failure overrides NFOOTY. This is similar to Articles for deletion/Yan Naing Oo. — Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 06:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Myanmar-related deletion discussions. — Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 06:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. — Yellow</b> <b style="color:brown">Dingo</b>&#160;<b style="color:BLUE">(talk)</b> 06:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. — <b style="color:#FFCC33">Yellow</b> <b style="color:brown">Dingo</b>&#160;<b style="color:BLUE">(talk)</b> 06:34, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete - A lack of evidence that the player even exists means total failures of both WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 07:02, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> 08:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 10:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor can sources be provided (or found based on my search) that he has played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 10:14, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has played in a fully professional league or in a match in the competition proper (i.e. not qualifying rounds) of a cup competition which involved two teams both from FPLs. Fenix down (talk) 11:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes NFOOTY because he has played for Zayar Shwe Myay F.C. in the Myanmar National League, which is listed as fully professional. English-language sources include the Myanmar Times June 2016 (he's the one in the yellow shirt in the picture) and Yangon United's website March 2016, which lists him in the starting eleven and advises us where we could have watched the match on TV. The article suggests he played 18 23 (don't know where 23 came from) matches for that club; if he did, then that's a full season, not just "an appearance or two". But the point of a subject-specific notability guideline is to allow time to improve an article to meet GNG. To delete an article despite the subject demonstrably meeting the subject-specific guideline, because a few editors decide that "absolutely no reliable and in-depth coverage" exists in a language and a script none of us can read, would do this encyclopedia no favours. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I take your point but I must point out that WP:NSPORT, in bold, says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below.". The Yangon United's website source looks like WP:ROUTINE to me (and has just a passing mention of Oo) and the Myanmar Times article doesn't mention him at all except in a picture caption. NSPORT also says the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb which I think applys here. In the end GNG is the be-all and end all. Also WP:MUSTBESOURCES. — <b style="color:#FFCC33">Yellow</b> <b style="color:brown">Dingo</b>&#160;<b style="color:BLUE">(talk)</b> 10:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No-one's arguing MUSTBESOURCES: sources have been produced to pass NFOOTY. I've added them to the article, and now it (as well as this AfD) demonstrates the subject's satisfaction of "the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth" at NSPORT... I highlight the important word in that sentence: sources have to be produced to satisfy one or the other, not necessarily both. No-one's suggesting those sources attempt to demonstrate GNG; they don't. Subject-specific guidelines are set at a level where "it is likely that sufficient sources exist" to satisfy GNG; it says so at WP:NSPORT, the sentence after the one you cite. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:12, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough and thanks for this. — <b style="color:#FFCC33">Yellow</b> <b style="color:brown">Dingo</b>&#160;<b style="color:BLUE">(talk)</b> 04:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Satisfies WP:NFOOTY. Smartyllama (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep As there are now sources verifying that he has played in a FPL. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> 12:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - due to the new revelation made Spiderone  16:54, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


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