Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winbatch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of programming languages by type. Nobody is for keeping this article with these sources, but there is reluctance to delete it outright. Redirection is a compromise that allows restoration if better sources are found.  Sandstein  07:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Winbatch

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Lacks the multiple reliable independent secondary sources needed to establish notability under our guidelines. One reference is cited and three external links are given but all four link to the vendor's website and own words, making them clearly primary. Searches for other useful sources on the web, books, news, newspapers and scholar turned up an old ad, a page where you could buy it and a history of it of unknown origin (though it looks suspiciously promotional, as if written by the vendor) and only a few trivial mentions, e.g., on sites merely listing various products. Msnicki (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Msnicki (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment There are some articles about Command Post (where this language originated) in the PC Mag magazine: 11 October 1988 p. 48 (review; 2/3 page), 16 January 1990 p. 145-146 (in cover story Best of 1989; half page).


 * Now Winbatch itself: PC Mag 24 October 1995 p. 40 (first looks; 1/4 page). Not much more. However, batch language in Norton Desktop for Windows should be the same as Winbatch (per PC Mag 24 September 1991 p. 36), so there could be some plausible redirect target (NDW is covered in the Norton Commander article, a phrase about its batch language could be added with the mention of Winbatch using the above reference). Pavlor (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. This is helpful.  The first look at Norton Desktop has a section under the heading, "Norton's new batch language", with the claim that "Wilson Windowware's $70 shareware program Winbatch is identical to NDW's batch language, and WinBatch includes a macro program that's not available in The Norton Desktop for Windows", that's the only mention and it's so trivial I don't think it's particularly helpful in establishing notability.  The first look at Winbatch 95 is more promising.  This source is signed BS (presumable Barry Simon) and while it's only 5 paragraphs, it does include some clearly secondary opinions, e.g., a remark that "While more than adequate for basic operations, WinBatch 95 is unable to record anything more complicated than straight keyboard input."  If a second, hopefully, better source could be found, I would be willing to retract my nomination.  Msnicki (talk) 15:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, my intention was to propose a redirect target as such a niche language may be of bordeline notability. There is also some coverage in DOSWorld, No 21, May 1995, p. 67 (3/5 of page: More power for Windows) - available on archive.org. Pavlor (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are many Google Books hits, but they seem to be mostly ads for the product in 1990s PC mags. Nonetheless, there do seem to be a few more substantial mentions of the technology, e.g., this. I don't know if this coverage rises to the level to allow us to write a verifiable article on the product. I'm not convinced the Wilson Windowware product is the same as the Norton Desktop for Windows batch language: it would be a little surprising for Norton to use a shareware product in this way. I'm reluctant to delete given that this seems to be a product that has seen decades of use. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.