Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winchester bus route 5


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Bus routes in Winchester. I have found the nomination and several of the delete comments to be superficial "non notable" arguments, although a more solid "not a bus timetable" argument has also been presented. Since there is a list article which covers the buses in Winchester, I am redirecting the nominated pages there and keeping the history so that if anyone wants to merge parts of the material (as several people have suggested), they can access the material using the page history. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Winchester bus route 5

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Contested prod. Non-notable. Highest Heights (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete this article and all the other Winchester bus route X articles. Happy to discuss ways of making articles about buses in Winchester encyclopaedic, but "NO-ONE IS TO DELETE THAT PAGE" isn't any sort of reason to keep it. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and suggest all the other Winchester bus route articles be added to this AfD.  Enigma msg  19:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Tavix | Talk  19:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of bus routes in Winchester, don't see how these pages are any less notable then Dublin Bus (No. 54A) or any other bus route pages we have. But a suitable compromise would seem to be having them all in this one page. Also "make more encyclopaedic" while moving should be possible, I see a page simalar to List of bus routes in Cardiff - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with that. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am happy to do that aswell, but can I please do it.--Adam mugliston (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Anybody can do it, but don't take ownership of the article. But, like I said, please don't until this discussion is over :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Winchester bus route 7 added to list - Kingpin13 (talk) 07:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Winchester bus route 7 has a proposed deletion tag, because of small notibility. I agree, but the page wasn't finished, and was going to be merged, before this discussion. Adam mugliston (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong delete all per WP:NOTGUIDE. LibStar (talk) 06:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? It contains nothing from what it is said in the notguide. Can you see any prices there? If it is because Sainsbury's and Tesco it is because that is where the route's terminus is, so what else can I write? Adam mugliston (talk) 07:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * doesn't have to contain prices, it contains route details, which makes it a guide. they're are probably 100s of 1000s of bus routes in the world, and I am not for creating articles for each and everyone of them. Wikitravel would be more appropriate. LibStar (talk) 07:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So why are there articles about London Bus Routes, Dublin Bus Routes, Isle of Wight bus routes, and loads more, and they are not being deleted. What's wrong with these ones then. If they were merged would you still mind them? Adam mugliston (talk) 12:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. we're here to discuss the merits of these bus routes. In fact I recently nominated Articles for deletion/Dublin Bus (No. 54A). LibStar (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But that's still another single bus route. Are you proposing that we also delete the list? If not, what's wrong with merging all the articles into the list? - Kingpin13 (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

But still what about the London bus routes, Baltimore bus routes? I definetly agree to merge into the list. If you want to see how does it look in the list, you can, because there routes written there not involved in AfD discussions. Adam mugliston (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LibStar's argument to "what about these other articles" is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (read the link), although they possibly didn't make that very clear for a new editor, which'll be why you missed it *shrug* - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all as non-notable. Tavix | Talk  17:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have read the link, but that still doesn't make a difference. From peoples messages I can see that, they think the Winchester bus route pages are less important then all the others,because otherwise they would either not have a deletion tag, or every bus route page would have a deletion tag. Adam mugliston (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't prove anything other than the possibility that no-one has got round to proposing these articles for deletion yet. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge into a single list in chart form. The list of stops and timetable should be deleted per WP:NOTDIR. Other information can be placed in a single box in a graph. There is room on Wikipedia for articles on individual bus routes - if they tell factual encyclopedic information about them, such as their sourced history. These fail to do so, and are better described on a single page. Sebwite (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to find history, but there is nothing that says anything about it, so it is not possible to add history, but If you find any, I don't mind. And there isn'ta list of stops but main stops and the names of the streets the bus goes on which is very helpful, when you need to know which bus to use, and I think Wikipedia should be a place to find that information. And also there is no timetable it is just information about the first and last bus and how often the bus runs,which also is helpful information. Adam mugliston (talk) 20:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can see WP:BUSROUTE for information on what makes a municipal bus route notable or not, and how to best write one. It is a part of an essay I am still working on, but this part of it is pretty much complete. Sebwite (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice essay,but I'm not saying leave the article on a single bus route, but merge, so this essay has not a lot to do with it.Adam mugliston (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a bus timetable or guide. Stifle (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.