Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows (jazz band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Windows (jazz band)

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I found out about this band because a song of theirs appeared in a Spotify playlist of songs that played on the Weather Channel during the 80s and 90s. Their article is poorly written and only cites three sources: a self-published article on the website of Skipper Wise, one of the band's founders; a brief album review on a blog whose reliability I am unable to ascertain; and a trivial mention in a Los Angeles newspaper article. I verified the claims that certain albums charted on the New Adult Contemporary chart of Radio & Records, a radio industry trade publication, by locating archived versions of the relevant issues, but that made me wonder whether this makes the band notable under WP:BAND. R&R is not listed in either WP:BADCHARTS or WP:GOODCHARTS, so whether Windows meets criterion 2 is debatable. As for the other criteria, the strongest justification for notability is criterion 11, "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network," since the NAC chart seems based on radio airplay. I don't know if any of the reporting stations for R&R qualify as "major radio" networks, but this argument could have merit if that were demonstrated.

Even assuming Windows meets criterion 11, however, I could not find sources that satisfy criterion 1: reliable, independent, and not self-published. The article claims the band peaked in popularity with their 1989 album The French Laundry, yet searching the Google Books corpus, from 1988–1992, for Windows and "french laundry" in quotes, turns up only apparently trivial mentions in a handful of sources. Similarly, searching Skipper Wise from 1980–1996 uncovers close to nothing about Windows; there are more results, including non-trivial articles in Billboard, about Wise's other band Colour Club. It's possible the band received significant attention in reliable sources that simply aren't available online, but I don't have the resources to find them myself. As the article stands, it fails to clearly demonstrate notability.

And it seems that a couple other Wikipedia editors concur with this assessment because a now-abandoned draft version of this article was submitted to AfC in 2020 by User:BraidWillson120 and got rejected at least three times, once by User:Kirbanzo and twice by User:Sulfurboy (see User talk:BraidWillson120 for rejection reasons). The first version of BraidWillson120's draft is identical to the most recent revision of the Windows (jazz band) article at that time. Furthermore, it is near-identical to the Windows (jazz band) article as it is today. Considering this and all my other concerns, I don't believe this band merits a Wikipedia article. At best, it warrants mention in Skipper Wise's article, assuming he meets notability guidelines himself. AnAbandonedMall (talk) 01:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Bands and musicians. AnAbandonedMall (talk) 01:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I really was hoping "jazz band made famous from the Weather Channel" would have some coverage, that's the quirky thing people like to write about. I can't find anything about that relationship. Oaktree b (talk) 13:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - it would appear the band meets NMUSIC#5, through its signing to Enigma records, with whom it can be verified they had two releases. Also appears to meet NMUSIC #6 (four vs. the required two).  Unfortunately all the interesting/informative material is either sourced to not-independent, or not sourced at all.  A listing of released albums isn't very encyclopedic.  But... given that the heyday of the band is just before the internet era, which in my experience is about the hardest to research online, should more effort be put into this before the topic is deleted?  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It does appear that criterion 5 is met w/ albums on Capitol EMI and A&M. I have no idea what we can write on this band with the online sources available, which is frustrating because you know the info MUST be out there . I admit however, that I can't locate better sourcing. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  04:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment I'm on the fence about this one, but I found the following three sources at Newspapers.com:, , . These were the most substantial coverage I could find; there were also a few very short reviews in "latest releases" sections etc. I haven't decided yet how far this tilts the scale in favour of notability. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher. If there is some notability here blow this away and let someone independent start over. duffbeerforme (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - The page needs some work but the band has coverage. I also found these charts on Radio & Records and the Gavin Report:, , , , . — Preceding unsigned comment added by TanookiKoopa (talk • contribs) 12:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete There's next to nothing out there on this group. Sources are a joke (first one self-published, second is trivial coverage, and the LA Times is merely a passing mention), while none of their works are notable enough to have articles. Searches under "Windows jazz band" turned up mainly Chick Corea. The Skipper Wise article is also a dumpster fire riddled with COI, promotion and regurgitated Windows content. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  02:03, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Most of the sources are trivial/passing mentions. GlatorNator (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.