Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows Insider


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Nakon 03:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Windows Insider

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This article is a poor content fork of Windows 10. While Windows 10 and Windows Phone are notable, "Windows Insider" is not. It is just website name used in conjunction with Windows 10. Codename Lisa (talk) 00:05, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 06:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 06:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge with Windows 10. We seem to have murdered all of the "Development of " articles and merged them with the main version articles. Even though I think having them as a separate page would provide greater detail, I wouldn't have opposition if the article got merged to keep consistency. ConCompS talk 01:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. Actually, it is already under . Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – There are enough of sources in the article now to pass GNG. Here are some more: . This is Windows, and it has 1.5 million users. Even if it's only a temporary program, for right now that's enough for GNG. The Windows 10 article is long enough already without adding this. – Margin1522 (talk) 01:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. These sources add notability to Windows 10, not the empty shell that Windows Insider is. What you are doing is analogous to reading articles about Mayonnaise, and from the recurrence of the word "Jar" in them, claim that "Mayonnaise jar" has notability beyond that of Jar itself. In addition, the fork issue remains. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 03:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment – Rather than the OS itself, I think this is a system for distributing builds of the OS, which is a topic in itself. See the above links, which are about the system -- 1 million feedback messages, etc. This system has attracted a lot of attention, and if editors want to write about it, why not? – Margin1522 (talk) 04:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - The only reason I (as NamLong before I lost my password) made this page was because the content was regarded "irrelevant" by all parties on both the Windows 10 and Mobile pages, so I made this page separate only because it didn't fit with with the other pages, on the Belgophone wikipedia (Dutch-language) this page is a part of both articles and in fact I've literally translated most of it from the Belgophone pages, anyhow I'm quite neutral on merger, deletion, and keeping, though I want this content preserved it would open up the question ¿where would users regard this relevant? the answer is nowhere, and when it was first created it was a mere makeshift placeholder article for a future Windows 10 version history until both NeoGeneric and I agreed on not creating that page, but honestly I don't see how this page has less notability than pages on applications with less users, or the countless of articles with no sources that have never been nominated for deletion, just go to the Yahoo! template and you'll find that more than half of the articles linked have 2 sentences or less, and only a handful have references, but I know that some moderators don't believe in the Other Stuff Exists argument so I won't try to convince them with it (despite the fact that the official rule is that if you can use it in your argument that it's a relevant argument to make), anyhow I won't argue against the fact that this page indeed has potential, but if there were to be a Windows 10 development history page or a Windows 10 version history or something this page should be insta-merged into it.
 * Sincerely, --86.81.201.94 (talk) 08:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC) (Alternatively NamLong618)


 * Strong keep, for the following reasons:
 * 1) Windows Insider is a notable part of the Windows experience in general, and is a specific, prominent example of the software release life cycle. This is similar to why articles about specific mobile phones exist, e.g. Lumia 640. (Ironically right before listing this article at wp:RFD the nominator reverted an edit that claimed to advertise this very topic, which might have led to reconsideration the article as a content fork.)
 * 2) Also, regarding 's proposal to merge the page with Windows 10, it would only make the article more complicated and eventually it could get too long - that was why notable topics are given their own articles, and hence a dedicated Windows 10 (mobile) article was created for this purpose. They all appear under the  and  and this is certainly no exception.
 * 3) Finally, I thank  for the sources he or she provided and the editors involved in this article will incorporate them at our own behest. &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 03:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." All 5 of these criteria are met by numerous articles listed here: .  Also, I disagree with 's merge argument, this program seems unlikely to remain exclusive to Windows 10. &#8213;  Padenton  &#124;&#9742; 04:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment, quick sanity check, Google Chrome Canary goes to Google_Chrome, and Aurora is a huge disambiguation page mentioning Firefox. I've added below Windows 10. I'm not sure about the merge idea, all those Lumia models for Windows 10 mobile aren't what I'd expect on a Windows 10 page. Maybe Windows 10 (mobile) is a better target for a merge, it's also shorter.  your signature sucks on my Chrome, are you sure that border-radius:8px is a good idea? –Be..anyone (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks fine on my Chrome (Version 41.0.2272.89 m) and Firefox (36.0.1). Can you be more specific as to what you're seeing? Leave me a message on my talk page, let's not clutter this up too much. &#8213;  Padenton  &#124;&#9742; 06:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment, possible solution might be to expand & rename the article to include other Microsoft-specific preview programs, although I'm not sure if there is enough material to merit/need doing so. E.g. Windows Insider, Windows Phone Preview for Developers, Office Preview, Xbox software preview program, etc. NeoGeneric   💬  09:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong keep, aside from the other rationales mentioned above, this is a NEW mechanism / preview channel for Microsoft to share its developing Windows builds, today it is Windows 10, in the coming years it may continue to provide preview of NEW developing builds (beyond Threshold) once Windows 10 is released, so merging it now with the Windows 10 or Windows 10 (mobile) may make sense today but certainly not a good long-term decision. Just keep it, update it, expand it.   —-— .: seth_Nimbosa :. (talk • contribs) 18:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep This phenomenon is an important one both for PC users and for the society in general.  It shouldn't just be a paragraph in a list with old Windows development projects.  OlavN (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:GNG. The subject is of public interest.  sami  talk 23:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.