Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wing Gundam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Wing Gundam

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This fictional weapon does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Heero Yuy as the only notable user. JuJube (talk) 22:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Redirect a robot to user sounds like redirect Magnum 44 to Dirty Harry. I prefer redirect to Wing Zero Gundam (oddly not nominated to deletion) or a list of mobile units of this series. Zero Kitsune (talk) 02:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Article establishes independant notability - government's don't issue commerative postage stamps about non-notable things. Edward321 (talk) 05:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? Which government issued a postage stamp on a piece of machinery in an anime series? I see no reference to such a thing in the article. -- Fullstop (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's actually in the "Appearances outside Gundam Wing" section, but they apply to the series as a whole rather than the single characters or machines. To keep ten articles just based upon that would be rather pointless. TTN (talk) 21:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First, I'm only using that as a rationale to !vote keep on one article, not ten, so please do not put words in my mouth. Second, saying the postage stamp proves notability of the series as a whole, but not to individual characters or machines is like saying a postage stamp with a picture of James T Kirk and the Starship Enterprise showed that Star Trek was notable, but not that Kirk or the Enterprise were. Edward321 (talk) 02:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If it establishes notability for one, it obviously establishes notability for the other nine in your eyes. Star Trek stamps would not establish notability for the independent elements. The different elements of the series establish notability by using other sources to show that they're notable outside of it. The stamps would only add to that already established notability. TTN (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, hardly any of these articles use any sources outside the After Colony mobile suit universe. For instance, of the 11 sources cited in the article presently under AfD discussion, 9 citations are all references to the primary source itself (Gundam Wing anime, episode N). The remaining two sources (the only non-primary-source ones) are non-specific, and applicable to the series as a whole. -- Fullstop (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Indiscriminate fancruft (see also http://gundam.wikia.com/) Unless some reliable, secondary source on each suit can be dug up somewhere, all the After Colony mobile suit articles ought to be either merged into one article and/or moved off-site and then deleted here. Standalone articles on each fictional "suit" in the series is -- for wikipedia purposes -- in-universe overkill, and ought to be off-loaded to the Gundam Wikia.

Keep Nom plainly did not examine article closely. User:Fullstop's perjorative !vote should also be struck. Jtrainor (talk) 08:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.   — G.A.S talk 05:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Edward321. This one is patently ridiculous, sorry... MalikCarr (talk) 09:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Gundam Wing mobile suits with other articles/lists on mobile suits. --Farix (Talk) 13:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Gundam Wing mobile suits with other mobile suits featured in the series. Maikeru (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. If the Japanese government considers it notable enough to put on a postage stamp, that should be sufficient out-of-universe notability for Wikipedia. &mdash; Red XIV (talk) 04:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Edward321 and Red XIV. -- Banj e  b oi   18:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per Maikeru. Stifle (talk) 20:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.