Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winning a Battle, Losing the War (Grey's Anatomy)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Grey's Anatomy (season 1). Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Winning a Battle, Losing the War (Grey&
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Same problems as Articles for deletion/Let the Angels Commit:"Tagged as failing WP:GNG. Does not seem notable outside of being an episode of Grey's Anatomy." Curb Chain (talk) 00:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication of wp:notability of/for a separate episode like this. Zero references.  Looks like part of mass-production of articles on individual episodes with some material duplicated across articles. North8000 (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Nominating this many articles at once makes it almost impossible to find proper sources in the necessary time: it takes 1 minute to do a cookie-cutter nomination, hours of research to source an article. I consider these nomination therefore to disruptively   frustrate the twin goals of deletion policy, which is to rescue what can be rescued and delete only the unrescuable--of which  we have enough. . DGG ( talk ) 19:15, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand, especially expanding the plot section . The article (as for the other articles in the series) meets NOT PLOT:  there are about three times as many words of unduplicated information about production elements as about the plot. What the plot section needs is expansion: various incidents are mentioned, but we are not told what becomes of them.  Reducing the length of the section into a list would make it even worse. A plot summary needs to be long enough to say what happens in the episode as well as what is left unresolved. The source for the plot is as it should be the episode itself. The source for the production data is presumably the DVD jacket, but does need to be stated. Has the nominator or anyone looked for reviews or coverage of the episode in appropriate on and off-line sources? The criterion is unsourceable, not currently unsourced.
 * These have been unsourced for over a year. If an article that needs sourcing is required, it can then be made (at that time).  And I disagree that it requires hours to source.  If it takes that long, it probably is not notable.Curb Chain (talk) 04:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If every episode was sourcable, does that make the episode notable? Although Grey's Anatomy is a great show, I see no notability come from every episode.Curb Chain (talk) 04:06, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete. Article has existed for five years and has been tagged for apparently lacking notability for one year, but it still doesn't have any sources. This seems sufficient proof that either it is non-notable, or no-one wants to work on it to pass WP:SPINOUT. The episode list can take care of the plot and relevant production data just fine; anything else seems to be WP:PLOT, WP:OR and WP:TRIVIA. – sgeureka t•c 15:22, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 12:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: Numerous Grey's Anatomy episodes have been serially nominated. More general discussion can be found at Articles for deletion/If Tomorrow Never Comes (Grey's Anatomy).--Milowent • hasspoken  13:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or Redirect to season article. With all the serial noms, I do not have time to check each one for notability.  But even any that are not notable should be redirected to the season article per WP:TVEP. Rlendog (talk) 21:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Grey's Anatomy (season 1). Nothing about this particular episode is individually notable.  See also my comments at Articles for deletion/If Tomorrow Never Comes (Grey's Anatomy).  Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 01:26, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.