Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winsight


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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Winsight

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Does not appear to be a notable organization. All sources seem to be routine announcements in industry publications, bare mentions, self-source, generated from press releases, etc. Google brings up nothing but directory listings and the subject's own publication. Valereee (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink and Organizations. Valereee (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete They launched a podcast and an Association bought part of the company, that's about it for coverage about them. Rest is all things they publish. Nothing notable. Oaktree b (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm the editor-in-chief of Restaurant Business Online, a 100-year-old publication owned by Winsight and I'm here to argue that it is most certainly a "notable organization." To make this argument, I will cite nothing but outside sources.
 * Winsight owns and operates 22 different brands, including events, media companies and the information and consulting firm Technomic. The company is focused primarily on restaurants, foodservice, convenience store and the retail grocery industries. Its publications attract millions of readers per year. Its events and trade shows attract tens of thousands of attendees and vendors every year and its data and consulting firm is used throughout various industries for data and insights.
 * Let's begin with the National Restaurant Show. Winsight operates and manages the show, held in Chicago every year. It attracts 65,000 people every year, the largest restaurant/foodservice industry exhibition of the year. You can find news of that particular acquisition here:
 * https://tradeshowexecutive.com/private-organizer-acquires-national-restaurant-association-show/
 * And here:
 * https://www.meetingsnet.com/association-conventions-and-expos/inside-deal-sell-national-restaurant-association-exposition
 * The National Restaurant Association started the show around 100 years ago. And it is cited in numerous articles on an annual basis, like this one:
 * https://www.bonappetit.com/story/wahlburgers-creepy-restaurant-tech
 * This one:
 * https://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4108777.html
 * This:
 * https://www.nrn.com/marketing/here-s-why-cali-bbq-thinks-restaurants-should-evolve-multimedia-brands
 * And this:
 * https://wgnradio.com/wgn-plus/dane-neal/the-national-restaurant-association-show-comes-back-in-big-way-to-break-out-the-bandido/
 * Winsight also owns Technomic, a foodservice information firm and arguably the biggest single argument in favor of Winsight being a "notable company."
 * Technomic data and insights are used by numerous restaurant companies and members of the media to understand the size and scope of the foodservice industry, the companies that operate in that industry along with various menu and service trends. Its Top 500 ranking of the largest chains is heavily cited in various industry publications and is considered the standard for determining the largest restaurant chains in the U.S. Its online database is an absolute wealth of information on the industry, including sales figures, data on individual restaurant chains and companies, reports on foodservice companies and distributors, menu trends and consumer surveys and data.
 * https://johnson.library.cornell.edu/database/technomic/
 * You do not have to look far to find citations of Technomic data. Simply search "Technomic" in Wikipedia itself and you will find quite literally hundreds of them.
 * There's the citation for "breastaurant." Breastaurant
 * (Side note: It boggles my mind that a loose term used almost as an insult for a group of restaurant chains would be considered notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia but not a $100 million company that owns several publications, a substantial research firm and various meetings and events.)
 * Fast-casual restaurant: Fast casual restaurant
 * BurgerFi
 * Pepperoni
 * History of McDonald's
 * Technomic surveys and information have been cited in numerous publications, such as Axios (website)
 * https://www.axios.com/2022/11/22/thanksgiving-restaurants-dining-turkey-inflation-takeout
 * Or NBC News
 * https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/uber-eats-doordash-decline-in-person-dining-rcna25249
 * Its experts have been quoted in many publications like Crain's Chicago Business
 * https://www.chicagobusiness.com/restaurants/chef-fabio-viviani-private-estate-dining-experience-barrington-hills
 * And CNN:
 * https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/22/business/chick-fil-a-gen-z-survey/index.html
 * And of course plenty of restaurant companies cite Technomic, such as Dave's Hot Chicken
 * https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/05/13/2443221/0/en/Dave-s-Hot-Chicken-Named-America-s-Fastest-Growing-Restaurant.html
 * The Technomic Top 500 is regularly cited.
 * https://www.consumerreports.org/health/fast-food-restaurants/buying-guide/
 * https://stories.inspirebrands.com/inspire-brands-franchisee-driven-us-restaurant-openings-2021/
 * Former Darden Restaurants CEO Gene Lee specifically highlighted the work Technomic does last year:
 * https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/06/24/darden-restaurants-inc-dri-q4-2021-earnings-call-t/
 * One big question I have is this: Why is work by organizations that Winsight owns good enough to be used over and over again on Wikipedia as evidence of credibility by all kinds of organizations, yet the organization itself is not notable enough to warrant its own Wikipedia page?
 * For instance, you can find my own work with with Restaurant Business on Burgerim
 * We're cited on the page for Hooters
 * And MrBeast Burger
 * And Quiznos
 * And Arby's
 * Among others.
 * Winsight Grocery Business, another publication, is cited in Family Dollar
 * Amazon Fresh
 * Associated Food Stores
 * The convenience store publication CSP Daily News, likewise, can be found:
 * 7-Eleven
 * Reign (drink)
 * Parkland Corporation
 * For more evidence of the worthiness of Winsight when it comes to our publications ...
 * Restaurant Business
 * Restaurant Business is an award-winning business publication for the restaurant industry, everything from a hot dog cart to McDonald's. It is the leading B2B restaurant publication in the U.S. right now and has done considerable groundbreaking work. And we've been cited in many instances, not just in Wikipedia articles.
 * I've personally been quoted as a source in numerous publications and podcasts. Like the New York Times:
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/business/coronavirus-fast-food-drive-throughs.html
 * KJZZ:
 * https://theshow.kjzz.org/content/1137016/delivery-apps-kiosks-and-artificial-intelligence-how-technology-changing-fast-food
 * CNN:
 * https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_0cd669e6203a72bbef881ea347cde943
 * RB is regularly cited.
 * https://www.thedailymeal.com/1115467/the-alphabetical-reason-quiznos-got-its-name/
 * https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/8-restaurant-chains-currently-shrinking-183820785.html
 * https://finance.yahoo.com/news/department-labor-orders-n-c-213522945.html
 * This is especially true for RB's Top 100 independent restaurants ranking:
 * https://www.houstonchronicle.com/food-culture/restaurants-bars/article/hc111822independentrestaurants-17595199.php
 * https://www.galvnews.com/business/buzz/article_173da91d-5c9b-5845-96f3-77f645fcb404.html
 * https://gvwire.com/2022/11/29/harris-ranch-ranked-among-best-independent-us-restaurants/
 * Winsight Grocery Business
 * WGB is our newest publication, but it is a fast-growing online trade magazine that focuses on retail grocery companies. It is also regularly cited by other publications:
 * https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/walmarts-latest-move-speed-delivery-174052353.html
 * https://www.nola.com/news/business/article_7161915c-df5e-11eb-804d-97326575f3cb.html
 * https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trash-bags-market-growth-trends-110400008.html
 * CSP Daily News:
 * CSP is the market-leading business publication that serves convenience stores. It, too, is regularly cited.
 * https://retailwire.com/discussion/dollar-general-plans-to-expand-its-selection-of-1-items/
 * https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/retail/buc-ees-no-longer-content-to-be-just-a-texan-favorite-as-experts-welcome-its-expansion-nationwide-112014
 * https://www.ksl.com/article/50169486/midwest-convenience-store-chain-kum--go-expanding-to-utah
 * Many convenience stores cite CSP's Top 202 convenience store retailer ranking:
 * https://yesway.com/news/yesway-selects-gsp-for-retail-marketing-expertise/
 * https://willsgroup.com/our-companies/
 * Noncommercial foodservice companies regularly cite work by Winsight's non-commercial foodservice publication, Foodservice Director:
 * http://www.foothillfarms.com/k12/resources_features.cfm?itmid=56860
 * https://deepplate.bauscherhepp.com/blog/12-important-benchmarks-in-healthcare-foodservice
 * We are also a big event and meeting company. Our conferences attract thousands of people every year, including the Restaurant Leadership Conference, its international version the Global Restaurant Leadership Conference, the restaurant technology event FSTEC and the convenience store event CSP Outlook, plus many others.
 * I hope this helps explain what Winsight Media does.
 * Jonathan JonathanMaze (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: If you remove the PR Wire sites its basically left with no WP:RS. I had previously nominated it as G11 but i guess it wasn't promotional enough. And just because it maybe "cited by Wikipedia" doesn't make it notable. Jamiebuba (talk) 20:17, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Except that Winsight's holdings have been "cited by Wikipedia" quite literally hundreds of times. There's a few times and then there's the sheer number that Technomic, Restaurant Business, etc., have been cited throughout this site.
 * Also, if you read my above comment, there are many, many more citations besides public relations.
 * In any event, give us some time to go back and apply some of what I'm talking about. Because this organization is far better than it appears on this page, to be perfectly honest. JonathanMaze (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient sources meeting the WP:CORPDEPTH threshold. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


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