Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiremu Tamihana (Te Matawhitu)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Scott (talk) 22:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Wiremu Tamihana (Te Matawhitu)

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Interesting, but there is absolutely no claim to notability in the article. He lived, there are some historical documents about his life, but that's it. Meets neither WP:GNG or any SN criteria. Disputed prod without any rationale or improvement.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:42, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure how to meet those criteria you have mentioned. I have read the links to notability criteria and I disagree that there is no notability. Can you clarify what would make it more notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matiupayne (talk • contribs) 22:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Reply Check No original research for the sources that Wikipedia requires to show that a subject is notable. They do not have to be online, but there must be reliable secondary sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Another reply From what you have written it appears possible that this Wiremu Tamihana may have played a significant role in the New Zealand land confiscations but Wikipedia would need reliable third party sources such as book references or journal articles to establish this. Searching for such is made difficult by the name he shares with Wiremu Tamihana. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete All the cited sources are primary: we need secondary sources, ones that have reviewed the primary sources and drawn conclusions from them.  As it is, this article is a secondary source, which is inappropriate.  Nyttend (talk) 22:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nom and Nyttend. Article creator also created Hāmi Te Māunu which fails GNG for the same reasons. Appears to be at best inappropriate use of Wikipedia. DerbyCountyinNZ  (Talk Contribs) 23:52, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Unfortunately I can find nothing on the net to make his story verifiable or notable by Wikipedia's standards. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 09:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)).
 * Knowing what I know now (see comment below) I would not have added my 'vote' (either way) to this page.Dushan Jugum (talk) 19:09, 4 January 2019 (UTC).


 * Keep. The article is in a sad state, but the subject quite is quite clearly notable as should be evident in a WP:BEFORE. Article does assert significance (political leader, conquest). In terms of WP:SIGCOV - the subject is the subject of at least two full length books - by Stokes - and Rickard - . A book chapter - here. And a bunch of additional sources - clearly passes WP:SIGCOV, and possibly some SNGs (e.g. SOLDIER and NPOL come to mind).  Icewhiz (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're confusing the subject of this AFD with another Wiremu Tamihana (who already has a page). This Wiremu Tamihana (Te Matawhitu) does not appear to be related, and has no obvious claims of notability. Ross Finlayson (talk) 14:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm - yes - indeed - it seems I am confused. Icewhiz (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment This journal article does make mention of a Wiremu Tamihana Karewa who was appointed by Bishop Selwyn as a native teacher in the Chatham islands and who was the son of Nga Whairama: Occupation of the Chatham Islands, Journal of the Polynesian Society, Volume 2, (1893) JSTOR link "Among the Ngatimutunga, Nga Whairama, a leading chief and father of Wiremu Tamihana Karewa (subsequently appointed native teacher by Bishop Selwyn), embraced Christianity, and with him all his adherents." Not significant secondary coverage alone but I wanted to share what I found, particularly the alternate name. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


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