Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Witch (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Buffyverse. (can be changed to Witch (Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode) if so desired). There was overwhelming consensus that this shouldn't have a stand-alone article, but there were also reasonable arguments that the topic itself does have room for encyclopedic growth. Redirection allows interested to editors to cull material from the page history, if useful. – sgeureka t•c 09:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Witch (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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Fails WP:GNG. The Buffy-verse concept of witch is not notable in itself, all we can do is to list the few witches and write fancrufty OR analysis / in-universe bios, since no source I can find discusses their significance/etc. in real life (as far as I can tell scholarly analysis of Buffyverse witches is non-existent, etc.). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:09, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  14:09, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom or redirect to Witch (Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode). "A Witch in the Buffyverse was a person who was learned in witchcraft." [Snark alert] Wow! That's a novel definition that nobody else has ever thought of before. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:03, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lots of scholarly analysis available. Some examples:
 * From Slayage: "'I am the Law', 'I am the Magics': Speech, Power and the Split Identity of Willow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Teen Witches, Wiccans, and 'Wanna-Blessed-Be's': Pop-Culture Magic in Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
 * O'Reilly, Julie Dianne. (2013) Bewitched Again: Supernaturally Powerful Women on Television, 1996-2011. Jefferson, NC: McFarland.
 * Richardson, J. Michael and J. Douglas Rabb. (2007) "Willow and Tara: Love, Witchcraft and Vengeance." In: The Existential Joss Whedon: Evil and Human Freedom in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly and Serenity. Jefferson, NC: McFarland. pp. 90-105.
 * Vetere, Lisa M. "The Rage of Willow: Malefic Witchcraft Fantasy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer." Buffy Conquers the Academy: Conference Papers from the 2009/2010 Popular Culture/American Culture Associations. Eds. U. Melissa Anyiwo and Karoline Szatek-Tudor. Newcastle upon Tyne: Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2013. 76-88.
 * Wilson, Dominique Beth. "Willow and Which Craft?: The Portrayal of Witchcraft in Joss Whedon's Buffy: The Vampire Slayer." The Buddha of Suburbia: Proceedings of the Eighth Australian and International Religion, Literature and the Arts Conference 2004. Eds. Carole M. Cusack, Frances Di Lauro, and Christopher Hartney. Sydney: RLA Press, 2005. 146-158
 * Winslade, Jason Lawton. "'Oh...My...Goddess': Witchcraft, Magick, and Thealogy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer." Joss Whedon and Religion: Essays on an Angry Atheist's Explorations of the Sacred. Eds. Anthony R. Mills, John W. Morehead, and J. Ryan Parker. Jefferson, NC: McFarland, 2013. 51-66.
 * A whole chapter in this doctoral thesis.
 * And there's lots more. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Minor plot-cruft that fails GNG. A witch in the Buffy universe is hardly different than a witch in general. Do not oppose the creation of a new fully referenced article based on the aforementioned sources, perhaps Witchcraft in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but this article has clearly reached the TNT tipping point.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak (TNT) delete or redirect per J Milburn. Assuming good faith, I'm going to guess J Milburn has actually read at least one of the sources cited above and believes, in good faith, that the topic is notable enough that a proper encyclopedia article could be built around it. I respect his opinion and believe that if he thinks he or another good Wikipedian could build an article about it then he is probably right, but the present article is WP:INUNIVERSE WP:ALLPLOT. If Milburn or any other can improve it to the point of being a worthwhile encyclopedia article in the short-term, then I would support keeping it per WP:HEY. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've also listed the article at ARS to see if any of the editors there would be willing to help improve it. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * BTW, I think if the article is improved per the above a good start (or end) would be changing the title to Witchcraft in Buffy the Vampire Slayer per Zxcvbnm. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: I agree that an article on witchcraft in Buffy would probably be better than this. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:31, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Even if there is merit in the above provided sourcing, the topic really should be explored in a parent article and then split out if there is too much weight. It seems like the best place for this kind of material is an article talking about the broad universe of the show from a real world perspective. TTN (talk) 17:46, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. Seems pretty CRUFTy to me. If we're proposing to snow delete a list of Star Trek Starfleet starships and starship classes per WP:LISTCRUFT, this certainly is. Doug Mehus T · C  14:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


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