Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/With: Live Tour 2015


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of TVXQ concert tours. Rounded to merge. The predominant guideline-based argument given against outright retention is notability of tours. Whether or not an article is in progress or its subject merely verified to exist aren't valid arguments to address notability. slakr \ talk / 01:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

With: Live Tour 2015

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This tour has not yet occurred, it has merely been announced, and this article seems to be mostly for WP:PROMO. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The tour has not received significant coverage in reliable secondary media. Of the four references listed, three are the group's own website (self-promotion) and one is a mention on the Korean gossip site, Osen. The tour has, at this time, no notability; nothing of significance has been written about it apart from its predicted existence. The article should be written after the tour has concluded, or at least is well underway, and once it has received significant coverage independent of the artist, and there is something to actually say about it aside from it merely having had occurred. Korean online gossip sites (which is most of the Korean "entertainment" sites) do not meet the requirement of being either reliable or independent of the artists. Shinyang-i (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete. Fails WP:NTOUR. --Random86 (talk) 04:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a work in progress.  Mikepellerin  talk 07:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The tour has not even happened. It fails WP:NTOUR. A couple of announcement do not merit its own article.--TerryAlex (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is in progress besides if Taylor Swift can get an own page for her upcoming tour without anyone complaing then why not this group as well?!--46.115.144.142 (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Feel free to AFD the Taylor Swift article if you feel it fails WP:NTOUR. My guess is there is quite a difference in the amount of coverage of that tour in independent, reliable sources, though.  Either way, "that thing has an article so this one should too!" is not a valid argument. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. It's now less than a month away. Waste of time to delete and recreate. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The beginning of the tour does not guarantee its notability. It must meet WP:NTOUR; sources verifying its existence are not sufficient for an article.  Most tours don't merit articles until they are over or at least well underway.  This notion many kpop editors have that existence = notability is completely false.  Heck, as is obvious by the glut of articles about things that don't even exist yet, many kpop editors believe a mere announcement of something = notability.  Shinyang-i (talk) 13:19, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  02:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Right now, CRYSTAL is valid enough as a reason for deletion. Note also that the thing is unreferenced--there is only one secondary source, and it's of questionable reliability; in addition, one single reference can never prove that the tour is notable via our standards; see WP:NTOUR. So, the keep arguments above aren't valid": the one says "waste of time to delete and recreated" but a. there's really no verified content to delete (unless VMS thinks we're here to supply the reader with tour schedules) and b. the argument here is that it's not valid content; "It's a work in progress"--well, that may be so, but there is no indication that this is work on a notable topic; finally, Taylor Swift--yeah, that's no argument at all. Drmies (talk) 23:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are already enough third party refs (requires various sets of search words including ones like 'tvxq' and 'tohoshinki')(some in Korean and Japanese) available going back to 9/14, that the article will most likely pass GNG as soon as the tour starts, so I simply oppose wastes of time like this. I've already wasted as much of my own time as I am going to. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * None of them are in the article. You could link a couple. And passing GNG isn't simply a matter of throwing in references that have some key words in them: NTOUR requires significant discussion of the tour as a tour. Drmies (talk) 03:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to List_of_TVXQ_concert_tours (which is missing crucial info anyways). Also userfy the full topic for a month or so until more refs appear. Earflaps (talk) 23:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge with Redirect for at least the next few weeks is a reasonable option. Previous tours have become GNG, so no reason to believe this one won't. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Support merge and userfication as recommended by Earflaps.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 16:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.