Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woemu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Woemu

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Non-notable software product lacking GHITS of substance and with zero GNEWS. Product appears to be in Beta and not yet in General Release.  ttonyb (talk) 07:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - I aren't sure where i should be posting, but here will do just fine. I would like to speak on behalf of WOEmu, seeing as though i am AquaFiX, an administrator.


 * 1. It is true the product is in beta, You can clearly see that by looking at our front page, found at http://www.woemu.com. You will also find that it clearly says "Open Beta", Meaning that anyone is free to come register and play.
 * I also fail to see how being "In-beta" is enough cause for deletion. seeing as though this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_Newerth Is clearly of a game in beta, and lacks much information, or you could say contains about the same amount of information as we do.
 * 2. I fail to see how this is a non-notable software product. Please elaborate on what you mean here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by AquaFiX (talk • contribs) — AquaFiX (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment – The article appears to not meet the Wikipedia for notability.  Notability is not a result of the progress shown on your webpage, or status of release, but results from  verifiability supported by reliable sources.  ttonyb  (talk) 08:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep : While I agree, this fails the Notability criteria and the favt that NOT every game deseves to have an article a week after it's release.. I think we should wait a wee bit more.. Pardon me if I'm wrong.. --Rsrikanth05 0


 * Comment – Please help me understand how the article meets any criteria for inclusion.  Thanks...   ttonyb  (talk) 17:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Notability : There are tonnes of articles out there that fail to meet the notability criteria of wikipedia. But they're still out there. The point i really want to emphasize here, is that this is a project that has been worked on for over three years now. We've programmed a server, and embarked on a client(for the game). It is possible to play the game by using the pre-existing client though. The problem that makes it difficult for us to fulfill the notability criteria, is that we're only a group of independent developers. Until our game reaches the thousands of players, and get's a decent review, it's never going to happen. Look at other emulator projects in the category. Several of them cite information directly from their websites, also failing the notability criteria. As it is now i think the underlying problem with our article is that I've written it in such a way that screams fanboyism. Although it was deliberate, I thought it conveyed some sort of extra depth, I will have to make a few changes to straighten things out.


 * Not to start a flame war, but with a developing game, isn't the best source to get information from the update/patch logs? Not some third party that doesn't know the ins, and outs of the game? Someone's going to have to tell me how to sign off on these things properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AquaFiX (talk • contribs)  — AquaFiX (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment – The existence of other articles does not justify this article's existence. Each article must stand on its own merits. If an article cannot be supported by verifiable, independent, third-party  reliable sources that support notability, then it may be too early in the game's lifecycle for inclusion into Wikipedia.  ttonyb  (talk) 17:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - lack of notability. Notability by games is mostly before and around release, with previews, press coverage, reviews, rankings in charts, etc.. There's no evidence of anything like that for this game, in the article or via ghits. If at a later date the game is successful and becomes notable then an article can be created then, based on the reliable references that will be then easy to find. But now it's not notable. -- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 12:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is a sideshow when an article is unambiguous advertising, like this one: ...entails a journey in which you are placed in the front seat. Roles are completely player-made, meaning you could be a peasant, or a vicious warlord; although general gameplay revolves around that of ATITD and survival. You may choose to play for free on the official servers, Not being able to leave GV(Golden Valley), Or you can choose to buy premium time. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep . If you search for "Wurm Online" you will actually find some reliable independent coverage:  . The wiki article is written in in-universe, but it's not really advertorial. Pcap  ping  19:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * *comment - the first seems to be mostly about how it uses Java Web Start rather than the game itself. The second is sourced from this article, so should be disregarded. The third looks like proper coverage but it's 18 months old so as a reference is probably of limited use. It's also in German so I can't tell how good the site is as a WP:RS. If that's all there is it's still not notable enough to me.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 19:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NTEMP and I was also able to find two more (p)reviews:  And to preemptevely reject you usual argument: not being covered by CNN is not a reason to delete either. Pcap  ping  07:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Could someone please explain why an article seemingly about Wurm Online is named Woemu and we're being directed to another site? Someoneanother 15:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Particularly seeing as we have Wurm Online here already. Uh, hello? Someoneanother 15:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) Good question. Pcap ping  15:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. This poorly written article appeared to be about Wurm Online, but we have another article for that somewhat notable MMORPG. This one appears to be a fork of some sort. Pcap ping  15:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Promotional piece for a non-notable spin-off project of some sort (I would have liked to have gotten a handle on exactly what but I keep hitting 404 errors). Someoneanother 21:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on the scripture we have here, I'd venture a guess that it was clone of some sort, apparently a reverse-engineered server software, because Wurm Online itself is not open source. They probably got served with a takedown notice. See these videos if you're really curious. Pcap ping  21:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that figures, too much of a coincidence that the moment this article springs up the entire shebang disappears from the interweb. Someoneanother 22:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per the nom, due to a lack of significant coverage about this specific subject from reliable third party publications. JBsupreme (talk) 11:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.