Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wojciech Rodek


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  06:28, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Wojciech Rodek

 * – ( View AfD View log  •  Stats )

Doubtful notability. An AfD analysis is needed. Anbu121 ( talk me ) 18:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep "Rodek is one of two or three most talented conductors of the younger generation" said John Sek, chief executive of the PhilharmonicTetsuo (talk) 18:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC) On a more general note, I think it is a bad policy to routinely mark new articles for deletion on the basis of Doubtful notability or importance. This has discouraged me from bothering to start new articles and I'm sure it discourages other potential editors. I think the better policy would be to withhold judgement and wait to see whether others add to the article. I would cite as an example an article I started, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_Lens which was immediately marked for deletion as unimportant. The article has since been expanded by various editors and has flowered into a much more detailed article. I imagine it receives a significant number of visits from users. With respect to notability of people for biographical pages, there seems to be a bias at en.wikipedia.org in favor of pages pertaining to American or UK individuals. I feel it is important that we strive to broaden the coverage of persons from other parts of the world. Wojciech Rodek is a noteworthy conductor in Poland. If he were a conductor of similar stature in the UK or USA, there would already be a wikipedia page about him.Tetsuo (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't easily see if the sources assert notability, not being Polish, but I agree that sending an article to AfD less than 15 minutes after it's been created, and is not an obvious speedy delete candidate or totally unreferenced is an excellent way to bite the newbies and should be avoided if possible. Another solution is to use Articles for Creation instead. -- Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   22:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Bio in Polish. He seems to have directed music that got published as CDs; I don't pay that much attention to muscians notability, but having published CDs (albums) satisfied notability, I think. Being a director of a philharmonic may make one notable, too, it is a large and notable institution (pl:Filharmonia im. H. Wieniawskiego w Lublinie). That said, he is not the chief director, but the artistic director. He is also an academic, although not a professor, probably not enough to satisfy WP:PROF, but worth noting. He got a second place at some music tournament, but I have no clue how to judge the notability of such events and awards. As far as I can tell, notability is borderline; would like to hear from others. Oh, and there is no article on pl wiki on him yet. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 21:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:37, 11 August 2012 (UTC)




 * Comment I've expanded the article with Discography and Cinema sections. (I found two professional recordings and two film credits (as conductor.) Both films have famous stars and are rated around 80% positive by professional film critics on rottentomatoes.com)Tetsuo (talk) 21:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  TheSpecialUser TSU 06:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment On a few args for notability:
 * CDs. Anyone can self-publish a CD. Almost anyone who's any good can get someone else to publish their CD. That does not in any way satisfy notability.
 * Is he the director of a philharmonic, or his he the artistic director? Is that the same thing?
 * If he has great notability, why isn't there a Polish wikipedia article for him?
 * None of these is likely to end the debate in and of itself, but they're definitely things to think over. In my mind, is he basically the director of the Polish Philadelphia Philharmonic? But even if that were so, is every director of the Philly Philharmonic automatically notable? Or is the article on the orchestra enough? I say weak delete. Jsharpminor (talk) 22:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply (to Jsharpminor)1. A person in music may be notable if he "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels..." WP:MUSBIO The first CD is certainly a mainstream commercial CD. Sinfonia Varsovia is a real symphony orchestra that I hear played on classical radio in North America from time to time. The cello soloist, Gavriel Lipkind, is certainly famous. The second CD features a new composer and may not receive much airplay or attention outside Spain. The movie credits are both for movies with Wikipedia articles and featuring very famous actors. Both movies were well-reviewed by professional critics. Every rock/pop/alternative artist/band on earth gets a Wikipedia article. Why do we shun classical artists? 2. I think the reason that there is no article on Polish Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is not yet all that popular in Poland. 3. He is the artistic director. Presumably someone else oversees the financial/executive responsibilities for the Philharmonic. Tetsuo (talk) 22:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.