Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wolfgang Kiessling


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Loro Parque. Less participation than I like to see in an AfD, but ultimately, the only argument to keep is from the article's author, who was unable to provide sources which convinced the other participants that this was notable. If you want to try again, I suggest doing it in draft space, and ping the participants of this AfD to get their opinions. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Wolfgang Kiessling

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Does not meet WP:GNG. This is a WP:BLP whose article is a WP:COATRACK for their amusement park. Redirected, but the redirect was undone by the article creator. SportingFlyer  T · C  15:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect as the editor that redirected it originally. To address the editor who reverted my edit's concerns, while the article cites independent sources, the independent sources have insufficient coverage of the subject as they are largely database entries, a textbook example of trivial coverage. signed,Rosguill talk 15:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and Improve There are numerous reliable sources within the article which are not data entries but could certainly do with adding more from the same page on the German Wikipedia as well as other sources. This can be a bit more difficult as some are in Spanish but they simply have be translated. However this does not warrant a deletion of this page and it is not a WP:COATRACK just because it talks about his important business ventures. Spy-cicle (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Having looked at the deWiki page prior to redirecting the article, I don't think those sources contribute any additional notability, with the possible exception of the book used to back up the bird-prize claim which I was unable to track down. signed,Rosguill talk 01:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Aside from the German Wikipedia page there are numerous Spanish articles that could be translated and put on the page ensuring it meets the notability guidelines however I am unable to do this now. For example: https://www.canarias7.es/siete-islas/gran-canaria/wolfgang-kiessling-denuncia-el-desprecio-de-marco-aurelio-perez-AF5654893, https://www.canarias7.es/economia/kiessling-no-es-facil-de-entender-pero-soy-empresario-de-corazon-ML2937842 , https://www.efeverde.com/noticias/loro-parque-fitur/ , https://www.efeverde.com/noticias/kiessling-loro-parque-animales-exoticos-zoos/ , https://www.puertodelacruz.com/wolfgang-kiessling-en-el-puesto-165-de-las-mayores-fortunas-de-espana/
 * I think these sources are a stronger case for notability, but I'm not quite sure GNG is met. The Canarias7 and Efeverde sources rely extensively on quotes from Kiessling as the executive of Grupo Loro Parque. The Puerto de la cruz source is of unclear reliability, and is just reporting on Kiessling's inclusion on a list of richest people in Spain. Inclusion on such lists generally does not contribute to notability. signed,Rosguill talk 18:58, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and Improve This is my final summary for why this article should not deleted. Firstly this is clearly not a WP:COATRACK just because this article talks about Kiessling's numerous business ventures involving Loro Parque and Siam Park it does not mean it is a WP:COATRACK. As the page states: "An article about an astronaut might mostly focus on his moon landing. A moon trip that took only a tiny fraction of the astronaut's life takes up most of the article.  But that does not make it a coatrack article." The same goes for Wolfgang Kiessling. For Example Bill Gates is not a WP:COATRACK for talking about his involvement with Microsoft. Secondly, the article contains sufficient reliable and independent sources to meet WP:GNG but could to with improvement by including more sources as mentioned in one of my responses to talk. But if you still believe this is on the borderline of WP:GNG please consider this as an exception as it is merely a guideline and not a strict rule (WP:IAR). unsigned comment added by Spy-cicle (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.