Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Women's kickboxing in Australia


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) → B  music  ian  03:19, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Women's kickboxing in Australia

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There's no indication of why this topic is notable and the only source is 2 pages from a book on women in Australian sports--neither of which I believe shows notability. Papaursa (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: Topic is notable. Sources are out there to help it be improved. A few examples sources have been included.  The women's sport has been subject to federal litigation. Google News archive search shows over 100 results when searching for women kickboxing Australia.  There are additional book sources and academic papers on the topic.  Does article need work?  Yes.  Is that relevant to its notability when sources out there exist to help it easily pass WP:GNG? No. --LauraHale (talk) 21:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Sports are generally considered notable. Seems to be plenty of sources. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Week KeepWith respect to martial arts there is definatly not enough for notability but the legal controversy makes it notable in the larger context of Australian sport. I wonder if the best approach is to produce an article on Kickboxing in Australia which does not exist at the moment and merge.  The picture has to go.Peter Rehse (talk) 04:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As women make up a small percentage of kickboxers in Australia, most of an article about kickboxing in Australia would focus on men and a detailed section on women would be WP:UNDUE. Create and merge into such an article isn't a solution.  More sources continue to be available that just haven't been used.  We're not talking about one competitor but a number of competitors, international events in the country, Australian female competitors abroad, the importance of minority participation in the sport, etc. --LauraHale (talk) 05:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment The question is whether women's kickboxing in Australia is notable, not whether there are any female kickboxers in Australia. Claiming notability because a fighter once fought an American is a huge stretch to me.  I agree with Peter that the banning is of more significance, but it was only in 1 state.  Many states in the U.S. still ban MMA and full contact kickboxing, even for males.  I know a number of fighters who have never competed in their home state.  If there are some Australian women who have won international kickboxing titles, I would find that more convincing.  I did like Peter's suggestion of a "Kickboxing in Australia" article or perhaps a "Women's Kickboxing" one.  I will also say that the current version of the article is a huge improvement over the 1 source, couple sentence version that I put up for AfD. Papaursa (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Changing the article to "Women's Kickboxing" and expanding it is a very good idea. there already is a List of female kickboxers each with their own article for a good start.Peter Rehse (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:N appears to be met here. Nick-D (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep quite a few sources are listed here already, and this also has have television coverage. At least one Australian Woman is prominent in the sport, so it is worth having an article on this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep'. Its an organised sport in Australia, with events on the international stage, with sources to back it up John Vandenberg (chat) 13:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
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