Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woodchuck Hard Cider


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:23, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Woodchuck Hard Cider

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Fails WP:PRODUCT, and the company that produces it, which does not have an article, probably fails WP:CORP. Bbb23 (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence that the subject meet any of the notability guidelines. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * DeleteDoesn't meet guidelines Robjp21019 (talk) 20:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: For the reasons above (the same might apply for some others in this category eg. White Lightning).--Aspro (talk) 22:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete obviously doesn't meet guidelines since it's company doesn't. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  22:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources exist and are plentiful, if anyone had bothered to look before voting delete, they may have found this or this or this (paywall) or this or this (paywall) or anything from this google news archive search, since I'm tired of individually linking each of these. There are dozens of reliable, independent, indepth sources going back over a decade from many locations.  Passes WP:GNG easily.  None of the deletion votes above has addressed the issue of existence of source material to expand the article with.  -- Jayron  32  01:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Topic is meeting WP:GNG. Here are some sources I've added to the article:
 * — Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * — Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notable as the sources above show. SL93 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. If there is a consensus to keep the article, I would favor renaming the article to the company name as opposed to a product.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That can be handled later, through a seperate WP:RM discussion, and does not have to happen here. -- Jayron  32  22:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Keep, stub it. Meets WP:GNG, easy enough to fix, per WP:BEFORE.  Chzz  ► 07:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep PLEASE read WP:BEFORE and follow it before wasting everyone's time. You spend a second clicking the Google news archive search at the top of this AFD, and you'd find ample results.  The first result says that Woodchuck hard cider is "the nation's top selling hard cider".   Others have found sources already and pointed to them.   D r e a m Focus  20:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Ample material from Google to independently show the popularity of this cider. I added one source to the article. Improvement, not deletion, is the proper course. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * KeepI love cider and i want find what like to taste this kind of cider beverage.--Red October 14:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. As shown above, there's substantial coverage in widely read sources about this consumer business and its namesake product. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 20:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jayron, excellent example of how the steps listed in WP:BEFORE should have been applied prior to nomination.  coccyx bloccyx  (toccyx)  23:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Plenty of sources, even if they're not all (yet?) referenced in the article Jeffhos (talk) 03:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Lots of coverage, and the company commands the most market share of any hard cider producer in the US. I've just added a bunch of sources to the article supporting notability and production. There's also this list of articles about Woodchuck from a trade/review site. This article from Ad Age seems especially promising for the notability/demographics of cider as a drink type and the Woodchuck brand in particular, and this for some background on the company. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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