Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Worboys Committee


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The result was   Keep nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Whpq (talk) 15:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Worboys Committee

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No references, therefore questionable notability. Gerardw (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep. This article is about a legislative committee that standardized road signs in the UK.  Statements of the article are verifiable and in fact easily verified with the automated Google searches, revealing some substantial discussions. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 *  Speedy Keep Just search The National Archives for pages and pages of reliable and notable sources. --Ritchie333 (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I have now added some references from Hansard and an existing reference from Herbert Spencer's page, though I was unable to quickly find one that indicated Jock Kinneir's involvement. The original premise of "No references, therefore questionable notability" is therefore now invalid, and I would request we WP:SNOW this and keep the article. --Ritchie333 (talk) 09:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge. I was expecting a page about a hugely non-notable student group with delusions of importance when I came here, but yes, the standardisation of UK road signs is a notable topic, even if it's only of interest to anoraks like me who read CBRD and Pathetic Motorways. The only argument against a stand-alone page is that this information might fit better in a page about the history of UK road signs. However, that's a discussion for another day. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep don't Merge - with reference to the comment above, I am the guy who split this page out from Road signs in the United Kingdom for the simple reason that the committee was being referenced in articles all over the place (not just about British signs, but Irish ones and European ones too). So it seemed logical to have them all point to one place, and there's about 12 article pages linking to Worboys Committee right now. Notice that the results of the Worboys Committee influenced the Vienna Convention of Road Signs which is the underlying agreement that most of Europe uses, and that significant chunks of Worboys's results have been reproduced in signs the world over. Not to mention Kinneir and Calvert's work on the easy-to-read "Transport" fonts that are in use on signs all over the place. They may be a bit unknown, but Worboys, Kinneir and Calvert shaped the world we live in. They deserve a page. If there's insufficient references, it's because there weren't any in the source material (i.e the Road Signs in the United Kingdom page). No-one ever complained about that! Steve Hosgood (talk) 09:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Hansard may well prove a fruitful research source for this article. Mjroots (talk) 21:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I know this comment is outside the rules, but it is an enormously significant committee. Not only did it give us the road signs we know and love today, but it was also widely quoted as a case study in public sector decision making. It consulted psychologists, traffic engineers, graphic designers, and came up with rational answers instead of decision making by politicians and the media. How do I know about it? Because I was taught about it over a decade later. And the BBC has certainly done items on it in the last few years (Top Gear?) though not necessary searchable by that name. --AJHingston (talk) 23:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Captain Slow took Margaret Calvert out for a drive and interviewed her whilst doing so. Then he vandalised a "man digging" sign after she suggested that she hadn't quite got it right back in the 60's. Series 14 Episode 7 from January 2010. Steve Hosgood (talk) 09:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment It's ridiculous even to suggest deleting an article which is linked-to from 12 other places and itself links out to about 10 other article pages all of which contain references and other cross links. By that reckoning Worboys Committee could and maybe should be classified as an important glue page helping hold Wikipedia together. Steve Hosgood (talk) 09:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lack of references most certainly does not equal questionable notability. It just means that nobody has yet added a reference. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn per WP:SNOW Gerardw (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
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