Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Association of Laparoscopic Surgeons


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 03:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

World Association of Laparoscopic Surgeons

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Fails WP:CORP. No external refs at all. Refs that are provided demonstrate only that it exists and organizes conferences. Highly POV style which fails WP:ARTSPAM. Not notable  Velella  Velella Talk 11:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Availability of wp:notability-suitable sources is very likely.  North8000 (talk) 12:09, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * delete fails WP:ORG. One passing mention in gnews, seems not to be an official medical organisation. LibStar (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep It's a fairly new organization (2001) but it does seem to be large, mainstream and professional. Claims 5,000 members in 200 countries, holds annual conferences, publishes a quarterly journal which is indexed at Google Scholar. Nothing much in the way of news coverage, but that's not surprising for a professional medical organization. I think it deserves an article. I cleaned it up a little, and deleted the redundancies and puffery. --MelanieN (talk) 03:30, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you mean nothing in terms of news coverage hence fails WP:ORG. all the sources provided are primary. LibStar (talk) 07:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 11 years is not fairly new. That's enough time to get some mainstream coverage. Is 5000 members in 200 countries verifiable. There's 200 countries in the world, I doubt tiny island and very poor nations have Laparoscopic Surgeons. Alarm bells ring for fake claims.LibStar (talk) 07:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment 3 of the 5 sources merely confirm they held a conference, and they're self published sources by conference organizers. including one for a conference in 2014 (how this advances notability beats me when conferences can get deferred/cancelled this far out). this organization is really skating on thin ice for actual notability. fancy name but no real third party sources. LibStar (talk) 05:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above, and in light of all of author's other contributions, which seem to be entirely PR and advertising. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 03:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, not yet notable per WP:ORG, and though there are some GBook and GScholar hits, they all seem to be passing mentions by a few doctors who note their membership of the group. MelanieN notes above that the group's journal World Journal of Laparoscopic Surgery is indexed by GScholar: it's also indexed by Index Copernicus, and appears to be notable enough for its own article. Altered Walter (talk) 11:13, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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