Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Association of Non-Governmental Organizations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was    Delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

World Association of Non-Governmental Organizations

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Not notable. The potentially controversial information in this article is uncited and unclear. A search for "Wango" turned up almost no information, but lots on Wango Tango. Steve Dufour (talk) 22:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.   —Jclemens (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Unification Church affiliated organizations per WP:BEFORE and existing proposal already in article. Jclemens (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In this case there is not evidence that it is "affiliated" with the church. Steve Dufour (talk) 00:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. There certainly seem to be a lot of ghits for Moon and WANGO.  Several are obviously Wikipedia and derivatives, or the WEED folks, but some are from tparents.org and other Unification church sites. Jclemens (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW Ban Ki-Moon and Sun Myung Moon gets you about 3 times as many. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 03:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that before an article on WANGO is written on WP someone has to write one in a reliable source explaining exactly what WANGO is. I am a Unification Church member and I don't understand WANGO and its relationship to the UC. Steve Dufour (talk) 02:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is from a Stanford University blog: I think it’s curious that “Mun” [alternate spelling of Rev. Moon's family name] is also the acronym for “Model United Nations.” :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 02:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WANGO is not a Unification Church organization. They are not founded by Rev. Moon, their board is independent and elected by the members, who are not affiliated with the Unification Church. There only connection is that they have received money from the UC, although most of their money does not come from the UC. If receiving money from a UC organization is evidence of inclusion under UC organization, then we have to put the Catholic Church as a UC organization.24.44.161.136 (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source to support these claims? I have yet to see any evidence that WANGO has any existence beyond furthering Unificationism. HrafnTalkStalk 16:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - Until such time as another Cite from another actual NGO shows up, I would use WP:FRINGE to support my "Unwarranted promotion of fringe theory" feelings. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  03:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In this case the fringe theory is true, however it is still a fringe theory. Steve Dufour (talk) 03:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the WANGO people themselves would like to see this entry deleted, since it seems to have been started by a competitor, perhaps CONGO, as a way to minimize their impact. CONGO has been openly expressive that they see WANGO as competitors.24.44.161.136 (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source to support these claims? I have yet to see any evidence that WANGO is in any way a substantive competitor to CONGO. HrafnTalkStalk 16:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge: understanding this organisation really needs the context of the larger Unification movement. What third-party information on it is available (e.g. here, although I'm unsure that this is RS) attests to whatever notability it does have being in connection to furthering the aims of this movement, rather than as a representative of NGOs (the legitimate organisation for which being CONGO). HrafnTalkStalk 04:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are the mentions of WANGO from the UC site unification.net. So the UC's support of it is not a secret, it has just not been reported in the mainstream media as of yet. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge So far the article is only sourced by the group's own website. If more information is found then it could be kept. Redddogg (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note I was just told by a church member who works in Barrytown that WANGO was not founded or run by the Unification Church, it just receives some financial support. This contradicts the (uncited) statements in the article. Steve Dufour (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At least eight of the twelve WANGO International Council Members hold leadership positions in Unification organisations. (I would further point out that none of them appear to be leaders of prominent non-Unification NGOs.) Given this, and a number sources asserting a connection, it seems reasonable to accept this connection. HrafnTalkStalk 07:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No one has denied that the church supports WANGO. However, the opening sentence of List of Unification Church affiliated organizations says: "There are a number of organizations founded by Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Unification Church, which are affiliated with that church." So far there have been no sources which say WANGO fits this profile. So that is why I suggested delete rather than merge this article. If a reliable source explains WANGO to us then a WP article on it can be written. Steve Dufour (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * History of WANGO: 2000 demonstrates that Moon, and the Unification Movement more generally, played an intimate role in the founding of WANGO. Further, Culture of Responsibility and the Role of Ngos by World Association of Non-governmental Organizations Conference, Taj I. Hamad, Frederick A. Swarts, Anne Smart, Anne Ranniste Smart, explicitly calls Moon the "founder of WANGO" (p12). In any case, the List introduction is descriptive not prescriptive. If a UC-affiliated organization was discovered that wasn't founded by Moon, it would be reason to change the description, not to exclude the affiliated organization. And the information doesn't indicate that the UC merely "supports" WANGO, it indicates that it dominates it, to the extent that WANGO appears to have no discernible purpose beyond furthering the interests of the Unification Movement. HrafnTalkStalk 19:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * False Dawn by Lee Penn also describes WANGO as "founded by Moon" (p124). HrafnTalkStalk 19:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I will change the opening section of List of Unification Church affiliated organizations then. I still don't think there are enough secondary sources to write a WP article on WANGO however. Steve Dufour (talk) 19:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW Lee Penn seems to be most notable as a critic of the United Religions Initiative. Steve Dufour (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete The article has zero verifiable information. Not a single credible reference. Mybesteffort (talk) 23:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  21:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete This looks like it doesn't even exist. You can't find any info on it anywhere. It just looks like an old website. Dontneednotrouble (talk) 04:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


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