Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Le Mans Series


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. and rename to ACO Intercontinental Trophy, or somesuch. Keeper |  76  03:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

World Le Mans Series

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The article is entirely speculative. The two news sources mention that an "Intercontinental Trophy" will be held next year, but that it will simply use existing races from the American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Series, and Asian Le Mans Series. The entire existance of a World Le Mans Series is speculated only by the author based on the fact that a trademark for "World Le Mans Series" exists, but there is no evidence of an actual series. IIIVIX ( Talk ) 17:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The new championship will simply use existing races, as the article states. But it's no speculation that the ACO actually wants to launch a worldwide sports car racing series next year. That's why I created the article, and therefore I believe that it shouldn't be deleted.
 * One of the sources quoted "international trophy" with lower case, i.e. it used the phrase as a description of the championship rather than its official name. That's why I used "World Le Mans Series" as the article's name instead. If you prefer to change the name to "(ACO) International Trophy", then let's do it. But unless the ACO regrets and cancells the championship, I believe that we have enough facts now to keep the article. --NaBUru38 (talk) 19:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a massive difference between a "series", as in a full championship season, and a trophy for optional entries. The Citation Cup within the FIA GT Championship is a good example.  There is no proof of a series, and as of yet, especially given the economic concerns and the fact that there's been almost no participation by teams in multiple series (Peugeot only) there's not even a guarentee that anyone will even take up the ACO's challenge.  IIIVIX  ( Talk ) 19:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article as stands is OR - as far as I can see none of the sources link the proposed 'International Trophy' with the name 'World Le Mans Series'. Companies often trademark names just so they have them to hand if they need them, or to prevent others using them - their existence proves nothing. The article is also (necessarily) highly speculative, since nothing has actually happened yet. It's not exactly unusual for such ideas to fall through before they ever materialise. Russian Grand Prix (post-1914), anyone? Suggest delete until we are closer to the time, or if not, at least rename to 'ACO International Trophy'. 4u1e (talk) 05:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with the rename, as I said. But since the ACO may succeed in doing this trophy/championship/series/whatever, please move it to User:NaBUru38/World Le Mans Series or something like that if you end up wanting to remove the article. --NaBUru38 (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ mazca  talk 12:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  KuyaBriBri Talk 18:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is clear that it is a proposed series, which is a critical distinction at this time. These are solid reliable sources that have reasonable quality to use in a featured article. When they print it's not original research.  Royal broil  15:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, deletion would really only be because I question whether we really need an article on things that don't actually exist yet (and yes I would apply that to future seasons etc). However, that's my personal view, not a policy or guideline issue. I'm not contesting keeping it in the mainspace if others want to (and I guess NaBUry does, for one!). The name does need to change though, as none of the sources used connect that name to this series. 4u1e (talk) 11:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So let's move the article to ACO International Trophy, ok? --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

@NaBUru: My mistake earlier: it needs to be ACO Intercontinental Trophy, since that is the title used in the sources. I've removed a couple of things that are OR from the article, but I'd be content with that, yes. 4u1e (talk) 08:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right, that's fine with me- --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.