Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Modern Arnis Alliance


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

World Modern Arnis Alliance

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This article has no reliable third person sources to support to support an article therefore a delete. Dwanyewest (talk) 23:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —Astudent0 (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep largest of the remaining Modern Arnis orgs. Also, nominator still isn't indicating in his edit summaries significant edits like this--I nearly skipped over it, assuming it was routine. JJL (talk) 04:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Bob Hubbard (talk) 05:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:JUSTAVOTE. LibStar (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

-Criteria supporting notability 1. Subject of an independent article/documentary: Sole or majority subject in the media, either a news article or a TV program. Be careful with 'niche' publications; check they are not related to the school teaching it. If it is an internal magazine with an annual issue it probably isn't notable, but a style big enough to produce a widely distributed monthly magazine may well be notable—though sourcing from it should be treated as with all primary sources. March 2002 issue of Fighter Magazine, Swedish Publication. January 2003 issue of Fighter Magazine, Swedish Publication. February 2007 edition of Martial Arts Professional Magazine. Also featured in MartialTimes Magazine, MartialTalk Magazine etc. More references at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hartman, might fit inclusion in main article. 2. A long externally verifiable history (i.e. secondary sources, not the club's website that says it has existed since 10,000 BC...) Google lists about 700 hits for "world modern arnis alliance". Also referenced on several Wikipedia pages including the Modern Arnis entry. 3. Multiple notable practitioners (see Martial artists) If we're talking "Bruce Lee" level notoriety, no, 4. A large number of students: Try to be objective. Remember that there are over 6 billion people in the world. Objective estimate, 400-600 members. Best I can do short notice folks, if they qualify, cool, if not, oh well. 129.44.244.141 (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC) — 129.44.244.141 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Criteria posting was by me, but I wasn't logged in. Sorry. Not sure of the 'proper wiki protocol' for correcting such things. Bob Hubbard (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The article lacks sources and a quick search didn't show me independent sources that support notability. I'm hoping those voting Keep can provide some reliable sources that show this article passes WP:MANOTE. Astudent0 (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I appreciate the research by the above poster. The problem is that the Fighter Magazine and NAPMA articles appear to be about Tim Hartman, not the organization.  As for size, I know of individual schools that are larger than this organization.  I didn't find independent sources that support notability for the organization.  However, I did find enough that I'm going to remove the notability tag on Tim Hartman. Papaursa (talk) 04:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong delete 1 hit in gnews, no extensive coverage . LibStar (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't believe the reasons given above show the organization meets WP:MANOTE. I think they show Tim Hartman is notable, not the organization. Astudent0 (talk) 13:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find anything about this organization that shows notability. 204.126.132.34 (talk) 18:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.