Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Security Forum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Sandstein  08:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

World Security Forum

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Non-notable conference; borderline advertising. Blowdart | talk 10:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The sources within the article link to websites that I would not consider reliable, a quick google news search on "World Security Forum" turns up no relevant results (you would think, google news being a sort of compendium of baseline and better reliable sources would turn up something), the event seems suspicious at best, with next to none outside middle-east coverage. Because of these factors I think the article fails general notability guidelines. — ^.^ &#91;citation needed&#93; 11:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as is How is this not notable? Sir Ken Knight will be speaking there and it is under the patronage of the UAE Interior Ministry. I wonder what is suspicious about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.157.59 (talk) 11:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC) — 217.232.157.59 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep The event has clearly been covered by major media in the Middle East and enjoys the official support of the United Nations. I agree that we should not even be discussing this article's deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jengoerd80 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)  — Jengoerd80 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Must keep this page This is my page - the information is factual and of interest to the general public, as it concerns a non-profit conference aiming to promote worldwide security and safety issues. The previous person is correct in stating that the event has indeed been covered by mainstream media in the Middle East - I have only found 4 articles mentioning it so far, but others may also currently exist and I will continue to monitor the press for any future references.  In addition, if you search on Google.com or .ae you will see that the offical WSF website is listed as 3rd on both search engines.  Does this still seem 'suspicious'?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherazade10 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It's not 'your' page. There's no individual ownership of pages on Wikipedia, and you can't expect to exercise control over the material you submit. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Just pointing out that this Keep is by Sherazade10, who votes again later in the AfD. --Banime (talk) 14:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete I tried to fix this article because I believed that it sounded legit, but the more I got into it the more I realized it was not. This appears to be all based on a press releae, which I believe was released by EPOC Messe Frankfurt GmbH, to a few minor news agencies (see here for the original release and information that it was a press release from that agency). This press release comprised the entire reference section of the article. It was simply the same press release on 4 different sites. I believe this article on Wikipedia could also possibly be an extension of that advertisement, since I searched diligently and could not find any other sources regarding this event. There are many conferences called the "World Security Forum" and this event has no reliable coverage by third party sources. Very strong delete especially when I consider that this could just be an advertisement for the forum, and when reading some of the comments above. --Banime (talk) 15:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless some major reliable news sources are provided./ If they should be when the conference is actually held, no reason  not to create the article then. DGG (talk) 02:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * strong 'keep'  While indeed there are currently few external reference sources for the Forum, it is a new event and not yet widely known- as the date approaches however, and certainly once the Forum has taken place, more major media should cover it. More important however, it is a non-profit conference - and so the inclusion of an article on the subject does not constitute commercial advertising.  The aim of this conference is to improve international co-operation on global security matters; therefore as it will ultimately benefit the general public, how can anyone argue that publicity for such an important event should be reduced? Deleting the article would do more harm than good. Sherazade10 (talk) 12:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment First of all, you already made a keep !vote earlier in the AfD. Second of all, I think you should read WP:CRYSTAL which states that wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and just because there might be good sources for this article later, does not mean that it should be created now.  I'm sure once the convention is underway and it gets significant press coverage, then it can be recreated, but as of now it is not appropriate for wikipedia. --Banime (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I find it suspicious that you are pushing so hard, Sherazade and others. As for the Forum itself, I don't yet see enough substance in coverage, although this seems to be in flux. I saw an article about it in Gulf News, which is a respected newspaper here in the Middle East. Also, the United Nations is an official supporter. But again, not sure whether this justifies keeping it. I suggest waiting until the Forum takes place and then decide about deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.126.197.49 (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC) — 85.126.197.49 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 08:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Just want to point out that I did a lot of work on this article trying to improve it, but there are only two sources, both press releases, despite the large amount of references other users keep adding. The first source is an earlier press release from the forum organizers, and the second source is another press release from the forum organizers.  They are simply posting as many links as possible, even though it is the same press release posted on different websites. --Banime (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Banime and since its an obvious advertisement. Themfromspace (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.