Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Species List Forest


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

World Species List Forest

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Not clear how this may account as a notable forest + obvious wp:COI - see the userpage of article's creator, User:Rstafursky (from the userpage : Richard H. Stafursky Pres., WSLF Conway- WSLF is the acronym of World Species List Forest). Connection between Stafursky and the subject can also be inferred from this external link. Maashatra11 (talk) 17:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: No reliable sources proffered, and I couldn't find any. The creator's discussion on his talk page bolsters the nom's assertion, while throwing in a soupcon of WP:SOAPBOX and WP:WEBHOST.   Ravenswing  19:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - no coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi,

I just found this page. I have been following Discussion and Talk pages for World Species List Forest with an intent to stop it from being deleted.

I have found two good references in the real press. Both References exist. Both are not easy to retrieve electronically. The Recorder story was printed, but because it is a local and not a regional story it is not archived.

Here it is. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7RdUYOUOy14/TC9Z3Op68qI/AAAAAAAAAFg/yLGh1eajnRk/s1600/Species+List+Forest+re+The+Recorder.png

The other story was published in the prestigious Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly which requires a subscription to see the entire story.

Here it is. http://www.masslawyersweekly.com/index.cfm/archive/view/id/451162

Searching the Massachusetts Layers Weekly with just the number 451162 brings up just the first sentence of this important story : ___________ You searched for 451162. 1 items found. Article 1 of 1 found Opinion Digest  -   Published: October 05, 2009 Real property - View easement Case Name: World Species List - Natural Features Registry Institute v. Reading, et al. Court: Appeals Court Abstract: Where a Land Court judge ruled that the language contained in an easement created a view easement permitting the defendants to cut vegetation in order to maintain their view, we hold that the judge's interpretation was permissible and that his decision must be affirmed Lawyers Weekly. Opinion Digest: ... ___________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rstafursky (talk • contribs) 01:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC) As you can see not every citation is free, easy to access, archived and non-cryptic. Maybe some day ...

Please don't delete World Species List Forest (Species List Forest)

Richard StafuskyRstafursky (talk) 01:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Stafursky is the donor and the creator of the actual World Species List Forest. We are not talking about a blog or an avatar or a word derivation. We are talking about a real place explained by it's creator. As are all references on any subject, the two valid citations I list have writer's errors and must be corrected somehow. Local newspaper writers and legal writers did their best, but their best alters history. That is why I added this important Wikipedia. There are very, very few Americans who understand the natural landscape. They say he author is personally using the Wiki as his own personal blog? I have created this Wiki for users of Wiki, only. I have a blog, and have had it for some time now, on the side as my place to rant, if you will.

I have now provided two good references. Now, please give us a chance to clean up our format to Wiki standards, but don't ask us to make it look just like any other Massachusetts land trust ... which it certainly is not. I guarantee it will make you proud.

P.S. As a newcomer, your Wiki admin slang escapes me. You have me at a disadvantage.

Please don not delete the Species List forest, Conwy, MA USARstafursky (talk) 02:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Unfortunately, those two cites don't pass muster. I'm quite familiar with Lawyers Weekly, given that it's the local journal of my profession (as to that, my sister-in-law used to be an editor on it), and the "article" you're citing is one of the numerous case decisions posted every week.  It fails in this case because it does not "address the subject directly in detail," as the GNG requires.  The Greenfield Recorder article likewise fails because it's not about the Forest; it's about you.  I would certainly accept it as a valid source supporting an article about you, but the Forest is not the article's subject.   Ravenswing  04:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

It is important and interesting to know how it was born. How did such a unique conservation area originate without a originator? You have, for some un-Wiki reason questioned whether the WSLF is an important conservation area? What?

Ravenswing, you are a Massachusetts attorney? I ask that you disqualify yourself from this review and let other, unbiased reviewers have a go at it. Now your sister-in-law was a part of this weekly? By the way it is the Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly and it is an important publication. I think you should remove yourself. You keep moving the goal post. And you are souring the milk. First you say there are no articles. Then you say you cannot find the archives, Now your sister-in-law? Now you fall back on your own judgment and an ad homonym argument on the creator of the 86-acre conservation in Conway, MA. The Recorder article is about the origin of this conservation area. The recorder, i'm sure, would not have asked to interview me if a neophyte conservation was not being born. And It already had a name and was named. In addition to its name the Recorder also mentions a dedication ceremony. It does not discuss whether or not the donor received accolades. It talks about plans for dedication of a unique 86[77]-acre forest. It talks about the nature of the forest ... that the forest is unique in the fact that it is (1) donated land (all of on person's inheritance), (2) being returned to the natural landscape and (3) it is open to the public for walking. No other conservation area can be described in this manor. Usually land trusts buy conservation restrictions and they refuse outright gifts of, what they consider to be, ordinary land. If the acres don't have spectacular vistas or incredible biodiversity they can't dump it and recycle their dollars. They also do not guarantee perpetuity meaning that specific acres that they acquire can, and usually are, either sold or exchanged, for "better" acres. There is always US dollars involved. Not the WSLF. It was created in what is know the correct way ... altruistically and the acres returned to the control of the natural landscape. The WSLF is now nearly totally under the control of natural forces and processes. How is that about me? How is the Recorder story about me or my beliefs? If I died today thye forest will remain and will be of interest to all.

Committee, can't you see that Ravenswing is souring the milk.Rstafursky (talk) 13:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Please do not delete World Species List Forest.
 * Comment: I have not at any point addressed the merits of these woods as a conservation area; in any event, even were it a complete scam, that'd be irrelevant to this discussion, which can only focus on whether this article meets the standards of Wikipedia policy and guidelines. If you have any arguments to make solely based on such policies, we will be glad to hear you out.  If you continue instead to engage in personal attacks - and I urge you, for the second time, to review WP:NPA - you will be souring your own milk.   Ravenswing  19:29, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No doubt this protected forest is a good thing for its immediate area, and it was praiseworthy for the donor to create it. However, it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. I can't find that the forest has any presence on Google News, or any presence on the web except its own self-referential sites. So it fails the requirement for WP:Notability. Sorry. --MelanieN (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is something terribly wrong here with Committee's logic24.62.93.233 (talk) 16:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC). [Special:Contributions/24.62.93.233|24.62.93.233]] (talk) 16:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
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