Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Wide Dream Builders


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Doc ask?  22:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

World Wide Dream Builders
This page was deleted before for failing to meet WP:CORP - notability was not established. Consensus was to incorperate any information into the Quixtar article. Gallwapa 11:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I am the original author of the article. Please pardon me if my comment does not follow approved format. I read everything I could find on the deletion policy and related discussions and could not find a way to ask for clarification, so this is my clumsy attempt. The nomination for deletion (from User:PaulHanson) stated that, as a company or organization, it has very little claim to notability, and any relevant information can be incorporated into the Quixtar or IBO article (which Paul originally wrote, and I recently restored). What are the grounds for "very little claim to notability"? If Manaan (an obscure planet in the fictional Star Wars universe) gets its own article, and individual episodes of TV shows get their own articles, why does an article about a business organization with an estimated 1,000,000+ members not? Also, where can I find the original deletion discussion, from the last time the article was deleted? An honest quixtar ibo 20:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point raised by our friend, the Honest IBO - many stupid topics get their own article, so why shouldn't (xyz) have its own? If it were up to me, several tens of thousands of articles would be deleted immediately, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. This article should be deleted because WP:NOT a directory, which is what this article would inevitably be; it currently lists the people associated with "World Wide Dream Builders," and does little else. The "estimated 1,000,000 members" you mention does not automatically make this orgaization notable, partially because that number may or may not be accurate/verifiable, partially because the meaning of "members" is unclear, and partially for other reasons.
 * In a somewhat related vein, it is important to delete this article becasue Amwaycruft could easily become rampant on Wikipedia, and we ought to hold the line wherever possible. Amway-related articles on topics such as this should be nipped in the bud. I do not say this to offend the people involved with Amway/Quixtar - I have nothing against them personally, or their organization - but considering the history of Amwaycruft and abuse of Wikipedia on Amway-related pages, immediate deletion is in order. If my vote has not been made clear, then here it is: delete, again. Incidentally, why was this article even restored? Paul 20:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete Seems every few months the MLMers decide to try again on posting thinly disguised advertising. It's not surprising. The internet is the prime recruiting tool for MLMs. Try googling them; the results are uncountable. They post in every forum you can imagine, any place they think they might find a new recruit. Not here. Fan1967 01:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Previous vote was for delete, so its time to go. I suggest information be incorperated into The Quixtar Wiki or the Quixtar article.  Quixtar discussion even has a proposed rewrite to change the article that no one has commented on.  Gallwapa 02:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.