Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World bank's green growth and sustinable development project in Himachal Pradesh India


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 15:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

World bank's green growth and sustinable development project in Himachal Pradesh India

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While the World Bank's general support of Green Growth worldwide might be notable, each individual project they sponsor is not. No indications that this particular one is. If it achieves notable results, that will be something else, but since it has just launched, it is too soon to tell. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * even though my article is too short but it is fact and contains factual data and it is regarding a project carried out by world bank and people should know this. results and other updates can be added from time to time or on its completion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ROHITSONURAJPUT (talk • contribs) 15:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete It may very well be factual but the criteria here is whether it is notable and sourced and the answer to both appears to be no. There is no indication this specific action of the World Bank is in some way extraordinary. OSborn arfcontribs. 21:17, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The good news: I added some references. The bad news: The references are all primary—i.e., the World Bank. Also, move the article title to proper capitalization and spelling if kept. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 22:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge to Himachal Pradesh or Economy of Himachal Pradesh The article has been considerably expanded and referenced by User:FeatherPluma -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 22:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 *  Comment. Keep Although there was some momentum for deletion or merge, here is my thinking:
 * 1. The article presently does not have an RS, but could be used. There may be others; I came up with this after only a relatively brief search.


 * I added several RS to the article, as well as other reasonable (not necessarily "reliable" per se) sources. The formatting isn't presently up to par, but the links are working and I will edit them properly when I have time.
 * 2. Some of the above comments point to a lack of certainty as to the article's independent notability. Addressing this in context is a little tricky:
 * A) On the down side is:
 * "One of many":  26 Sep 2012: indicates that this is just one of World Bank's USD 23 billion portfolio in India, and just one of 76 active investment projects... (i.e it's 0.2B USD of 23B USD... hmmm like 1 of 76 projects and less than 1% value of the India portfolio)... and that during FY12, the World Bank's Board has approved USD 3 billion in funding for 10 new projects for India, spanning a range of sectors including infrastructure, education, health and rural development (hhmmm so THIS project is one of ten in FY12 and is less than 10% new portfolio value in 2012)...
 * B) On the other hand, on the up side are:
 * "Achievements to date / world's largest CDM":
 * 28 Sep 2012 speaks to World Bank financing already having enabled construction of over 200 km of irrigation channels as well as an impressive number of upgrades including over 6,000 water harvesting tanks, over 1,000 ponds, nearly 300 dams and over 260 irrigation schemes, and has converted about 9,000 hectares of rain-fed land into irrigated acreage, benefiting some 100,000 families.
 * Much more importantly, May 27, 2011: The World Bank activities in Himachal Pradesh do have some notablity as they encompass "...what is to be  the world’s largest  and India’s first clean development mechanism (CDM) project under which the bank will buy carbon credits from the new forests being developed on degraded lands under a watershed management program..."
 * SUMMARY: As often, there isn't really a single option (keep or delete). After some thought, if a decision had to be made promptly (it doesn't) I would probaby agree with merging the material to Economy of Himachal Pradesh as well as potentially mentioning it in Clean Development Mechanism. (That last could be a bit technical though, and considerable extra research would be needed: that Wikipedia article suggests forest projects are excluded. Is this an exception, and if so is it due to being broader scope or to being accepted by locals etc, or is it an example from a new tranche that has broadened the permissibility of forest projects... etc...) Although the article has problems, these are being actively addressed (essentially a complete rewrite will be needed) and the reasoning for the PROD is now moot. It is a new article, and was given an immediate PROD rather receiving a proper search for RS and contextual notability. Accordingly, the option of Keep is probably the correct approach here. In the less attractive alternative, holding the assessment period open for some deeper background work and for additional comments would be reasonable. Since there are RS and given "world's largest CDM" this would allow the original author and/or others to clean it up considerably, and work toward  either a better merge or  a possible retitle (for example "Mid Himalayan Watershed Development Project" or "Himachal Pradesh Reforestation Project " (see and the large pdf  ) / retention.  I found no Wikipedia articles that used these encyclopedic titles or that addressed the project in depth.
 * Article renamed to "Mid-Himalayan Watershed Development Project"
 * I do not presently have good access to enough resources to review the background definitively and to thus make all the needed adjustments, but I might have such access next week. I politely recommend that either the PROD be denied (prefer), or at least that the article NOT be peremptorily deleted without a further maturation period. FeatherPluma (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Bed speling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crepuscularargentina33 (talk contribs) 20:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the nominator that World Bank's general support of Green Growth worldwide might be notable, each individual project they sponsor is not.--99.179.23.228 (talk) 05:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There are significant number of reliable independent references in the article. Why do you think the subject might not be notable? -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 21:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 10:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - may not have met the criteria to begin with and I think the nom was in good faith - the nom seems to have acted as a catalyst for getting some editors to WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM which is always worthwhile. The name change, new references, clean-up and substantial additions have improved the article to the point where I think the article asserts notability and the subject meets WP:GNG. Some fine clean-up work. Stalwart 111  (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are plenty of reliable independent sources demonstrating significant coverage that are cited in the article; hence it meets WP:GNG. --Batard0 (talk) 15:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.