Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wren T. Brown


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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Wren T. Brown

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WP:BLP of an actor, not reliably sourced as clearing an WP:NACTOR criterion. As written, this consists of a single 10-word sentence stating that he exists, and then jumps straight to listing his filmography without contextualizing his significance at all, and is "referenced" solely to the WorldCat directory entry of a single educational DVD on which he was a production consultant and not even an actor. As always, however, actors are not automatically deemed notable just because the article happens to list roles -- having roles is the job description, so every actor who exists at all would always get an automatic notability freebie if all the article had to do was include a list of roles. Rather, the notability test for an actor still requires some actual evidence of reliable source coverage: entertainment reporting about him, film reviews which single his performance out for dedicated attention, news stories about him winning a notable acting award, that sort of thing -- simply offering one piece of cursory verification in a directory that a film he was involved in exists is not enough. Bearcat (talk) 16:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I did a google news search.  I don't see any significant coverage, no Oscar nominations, no famous roles. His role in Flipper was probably his most significant, and it is a supporting role at best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I see no evidence any of his roles rise to being notable. To be fair this article actually tries harder than many of our articles on actors to present sources, we have lots sourced only to IMDb. Also we have lots that are just 1 sentance and then a list of films. Articles on actors are crying out for some good editing to provide contexts of notability or massive numbers of nominations for deletion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment, in full knowledge that my opinion may be given less weight as an anonymous editor. Quite frankly, I'm baffled by the conclusion expressed by the OP and the two editors who have insofar commented, in the sense that no coverage in the media outlets, nor any significative sources other than IMDB exist on this actor. Took me 3 minutes of cursory search to find at least three interviews in different news media; not to mention that this actor in particular is not simply listed at IMDB, but also has entries at every single movie database there is, including Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, TV Guide, etc. I also found out that he received a nomination for a NAACP Prize in 2001. Clearly the article needs improvement, but as always - deleting is far easier than working on actually researching and improving!
 * While I'm not particularly interested in this debate and I honestly don't care whether or not this article is kept, I can't help but to shrug when I see how little care some people put into their research before pompously exposing their conclusions - aiming for deletion, of course. What a surprise. 46.25.71.70 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In most places anonymous editors are assumed to be doing so in good faith. If you had pointed us to reliable, independent, significant coverage, I would gladly vote keep.  As is, you made assertions without any supporting evidence. Rockphed (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Interviews, in which the subject is speaking about himself in the first person, are not support for notability. They can be used for supplementary referencing of stray facts after notability has already been demonstrated by stronger sources — for example, if a notable public figure comes out as LGBT in an interview, then we can use the interview as a source for the fact that they're LGBT — but in order to demonstrate that Wren Brown is notable enough to have an article at all, there have to be a non-trivial number of sources that represent other people writing or talking about Wren Brown in the third person. Once that's cleared off, then you can use the Q&A interviews to source some additional facts — but the Q&A interviews don't count as data points toward the initial question of whether he's cleared our notability standards in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot find any significant, independent coverage of Wren T Brown. Rockphed (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


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